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TO20 lift arms

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Josh0103

09-21-2006 18:58:01




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Hello all,


Can anyone give me some ideas on how to hold lift arms in a lowered position WITHOUT USING CHAINS.
Any thoughts or PICTURES would be great.




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Paul in Ms

09-24-2006 06:16:21




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 Re: TO20 lift arms in reply to Josh0103, 09-21-2006 18:58:01  
Contact Zane Sherman @256-268-2327 or hometown.aolcom/
wzsherman/myhomepage/sale.html. Zane sell a set-up called the LiveThang. Which is a side mounted pump running off the crank pulley. This give live hydraulics.



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John (UK)

09-22-2006 07:05:21




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 Re: TO20 lift arms in reply to Josh0103, 09-21-2006 18:58:01  
Explain what you are trying to do then we can give you a more informed solution.



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Josh0103

09-22-2006 18:18:42




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 Re: TO20 lift arms in reply to John (UK), 09-22-2006 07:05:21  
Hey guys,

Im wanting to operate my log splitter by using the tractors hydraulics. The problem is, the lift arms will raise whenever a stubborn log is ecncountered I would like to hold the lift arms in a fixed position without chains. Is there a bracket sold ,or something that can be made,or is there a way to bypass the lift cylinder all together?

Thanks, JOSH H

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John (UK)

09-23-2006 05:56:33




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 Re: TO20 lift arms in reply to Josh0103, 09-22-2006 18:18:42  
OK I understand you now, there is no valve made that I know of that will shut off the flow to the Ram Cylinder (unfortunately,been looking for one for a long time) at this time. I don't know if your log splitter is free standing or mounted on the three point linkage BUT what you can do is either fit the drawbar with the drawbar stays fully closed for strength and fixed to the long hinged pin under the top link connection or if the Log Splitter is mounted, make up a couple of strong stays that will be long enough to fix to the splitter when it is in the working position again fixed to the long hinged pin under the top link connection. Don't fix them to the top link connection or you may damage something. Where are you returning the oil flow, it should not be returned to the transmission via the filler plug next to the gear lever as it could pump the hydraulics dry and fill up the gearbox section which then may allow oil through the main-shaft seal onto the clutch. Oil should be returned through one of the round side covers below the seat position.

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Josh0103

09-23-2006 08:27:10




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 Re: TO20 lift arms in reply to John (UK), 09-23-2006 05:56:33  
John,
The log splitter is connected to the 3 point. Baisically a standard drawbar is attached to the bottom of the log splitter Ibeam and a top link bracket is welded to the top. I have tryed to use the draw bar stays, but with no luck. the stays were'nt strong enough and bent. The hydraulic return line is attached to the diff drain plug hole using a 3/4npt/#8jic adaptor that works great.I have seen pictures of lift arm stay brackets on these tractors, and on fords that use a ARPS BLACKHAWK bulldozer attachment, but the picture wasnt very clear.

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John (UK)

09-23-2006 08:49:29




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 Re: TO20 lift arms in reply to Josh0103, 09-23-2006 08:27:10  
If the Splitter is quite low down then the link arms will be low too and that is when it has most power to actually lift. If you were trying to use the drawbar stays and they were not fully closed then I can understand why they bent, they really need to be one piece for strength. In the UK we had a loader that used some "U" shaped blocks that fitted over the lower links and came up under the axle housing to stop them lifting. They were locked in place with a setscrew in the side of each and you slid them into position when needed.

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Josh0103

09-23-2006 10:58:33




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 Re: TO20 lift arms in reply to John (UK), 09-23-2006 08:49:29  
John, Would an aux pump be a better option to run the log splitter?



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mowr

09-23-2006 18:54:18




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 Re: TO20 lift arms in reply to Josh0103, 09-23-2006 10:58:33  
Pumps that drive off the rear pto are readily available. Sounds to me like a good solution; especially if you find a good used one at a reasonable price.



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John (UK)

09-23-2006 12:08:27




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 Re: TO20 lift arms in reply to Josh0103, 09-23-2006 10:58:33  
It could save you a lot of problems and it would certainly have a faster re-cycle time, the tractor only pumps about 2.8 gpm at 2000rpm an aux pump would pump more and you would be able to run the tractor slower. You could still use the tractor oil if need be, only problem would be making something to allow it to be sucked up into the aux. pump, but shouldn't be too difficult.



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Josh0103

09-23-2006 15:30:55




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 Re: TO20 lift arms in reply to John (UK), 09-23-2006 12:08:27  
John, Is there a supplier that sells the crank pulley and pump needed to do this? Ive seen such kits availible for 8n's, but not the Ferguson's. I was told that the crank pulleys on the TO20 and 8n's do not interchange.



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John (UK)

09-23-2006 16:15:08




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 Re: TO20 lift arms in reply to Josh0103, 09-23-2006 15:30:55  
I personally don't know of any suppliers. The crank pulleys will not interchange as they are two different makes of engine. There used to be suppliers of these kits, you would have to look around for one, wreckers yards etc.



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Jerry/MT

09-21-2006 19:59:10




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 Re: TO20 lift arms in reply to Josh0103, 09-21-2006 18:58:01  
I'm not sure I understand your question. Just place the control lever in the full down position and the lift arms should stay down. If yours do not and the lever returns to the full up position then the friction disc, the cork disc between the control lever and the stationary backing, needs adjusting or replacement. To adjust it remove the cotter key from the nut attached to the control shaft and tighten the nut down. If that doen't work, you need to replace the friction disk ($1 a piece + shpg at Walt's Tractors). If you want to hold position with an implement in place, use marlowe's method. Set the implement on something to hold it to the desired position. Have the control lever below he neutral point and crank the top link til you see the implement respond to the movement of the top link. The control system will hold that position. If this is not correct, someone will correct me. You can also do an archive search and read it straight from marlowe.

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DennisPinOhio

09-22-2006 04:42:49




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 Re: TO20 lift arms in reply to Jerry/MT, 09-21-2006 19:59:10  
If you look at the post dated 9/1/06 entitled
"marlowe/John(UK)" you'll see a set-up description.



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