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drained trans fluid,want to clean with kerosene?

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rusty nut

08-23-2006 17:42:58




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how much kereosene do i put in?6 gallons?or is less ok?also do i run tractor with the kerosene in it?do i engage pto and run tractor?will i do any damage running it with the kerosene in it?how long should i run it for?then should i let it soak over night?thanks




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Joe Ferguson

08-24-2006 08:34:51




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 Re: drained trans fluid,want to clean with kerosen in reply to rusty nut, 08-23-2006 17:42:58  
Hi,

I do not recommend running PTO or transmission
with kerozene it will cause severe damage as it
is a grinding compound under some conditions
I.E. metal to metal mooving parts. Some engines
run with kerozene but this is another subject.

I use kerozene as cutting oil when I drill in
heavy metal.

HTH


Joe Ferguson



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Jeff-oh

08-25-2006 04:00:39




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 Re: drained trans fluid,want to clean with kerosen in reply to Joe Ferguson, 08-24-2006 08:34:51  
Your statment about not wanting to run the transmission with kerosene is ture, if you are talking about running it under load or for extended periods of time.

Short period use, i.e 10 to 15 minutes will not cause damage. You are also correct in not recommending trying to plow, or grade with kerosene/diesel in the trans. However, driving around without implements attached will not cause harm.

That said, what is the reason for discussing driving around with kerosene/diesel in the trans. It is to help clean out the old oil and oil deposits. Thus, driving around on a level surface will not likely provide enough "sloshing" to clean all the nooks and crannies, particularly those in the upper part of the case. This is why I like the garden sprayer method.

Your statement: "I use kerozene as cutting oil when I drill in heavy metal� may be a little mis-leading. The kerosene here is used as a cooling agent and lubricant to protect the drill bit cutting edge.... Thus, the kerosene in this application is providing the same protection desired in gear operation.

respectfully,
Jeff

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Jeff-oh

08-24-2006 05:42:49




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 Trans. Cleaning procedure in reply to rusty nut, 08-23-2006 17:42:58  
Rusty nut,
To refill you will need 6 gallons of oil. Check NAPA"s price, ask for PN 65-205. That is a 5-gallon bucket of the GL-1 oil.

Cleaning procedure
There are three drain holes and one filler hole. Note the fill slow at the end comment. As the filler hole is in the front of the case and the dipstick is at the rear. Only fill with four to five gallons, then fill 1 quart at a time with a couple to 5 min. wait between quarts. This gives the fluid some time to level out so that it can be read on the dipstick. The first time I changed my oil I overfilled by more than a gallon, I had oil coming out the axils on the breaks... what a mess.

This is a job you do not want to do too often, so plan it right. Determine all the maintenance that needs to be accomplished while the transmission is drained. (PTO seal, Pump repairs, Hydro leak fixes, axial seals etc) Get the parts and get them done while you can.

This is the procedure I used to clean my transmission oil housing. You will need to wash out the old fluid. Any remaining fluid will contaminate the new fluid. If you have time in the evenings start to drain the tractor now. She will drip for hours/days.
You should also be prepared to deal with the gallons of fluids you the will gush out of the tractor. Have containers ready to pour the old oil in to take to your auto parts store for recycling.

Do your lift arms drop/leak down quickly? If so prior to draining the fluid pull the right and left side inspection plates. Lift an implement and look to see where the fluid is leaking out of the system as the lift lowers. Then you can repair/replace the required parts without the fluid in the way.

I would also recommend the you replace the PTO seal and O-ring seal if needed at this time and replace the inspection plate gaskets. The inspection plate gaskets are fairly easy to cut yourself if you need to.

Open the drains one at a time to handle the gush of fluid. Once you have gone through all of them open them all up again with a pan under each and let it drip at least over night. Make sure your lift control is in the down position to drain the piston.

You should plan on "Washing/Flushing" out the inside, particularly if you have water in the oil... i.e. if brown/milky. To wash the inside use either kerosene or diesel. (Note: It is generally recommended and I agree: DO NOT operate the tractor with your cleaning fluid in the transmission) I put mine in a garden sprayer and sprayed the insides down. I put the garden sprayer nozzle everywhere I can, up the PTO shaft opening, if you pulled it. Through the Filler hole, through the inspection ports, through each drain plug. I catch the diesel in clean oil pans let it settle then decant the "clean" fluid off the sludge and spray again, and again. Go have a beer and let it drain. I then wipe out the bottom with clean paper towels to get the crud out. (do not use cheap towels here you do not want them falling apart). If your fluid had water in it, the "Milky" oil will continue to appear for a while, I just came back and wiped it out again, and again until gone.

This is a good time to do other maintenance. Grease the fittings, Pull the air filter and clean it.

Be sure to do the diesel flush with good ventilation. The fumes are powerful.

Button her back up with your new seals and fill. Toward the end fill slowly... i.e. quart or 1/2 liter per 5 to 10 minutes, to let it all even out in the sumps. The first time I changed the oil I did not do this and I over filled by a gallon and a half. And because I did not wash out the back that gallon and a half was now water contaminated and useless.

You will be glad you did this when it is done.

Jeff

p.s. all that said. Letting a gallon or two of diesel or kerosene sit in the transmission case overnight will eliminate a lot of paper towels. Driving it around with out any load will not hurt the transmission gears. The only reason to drive around is to slosh the cleaning solution around... thus you have to decide how effective that would be.

I do not believe you need 6 gallons. a gallon or two is quite enough.

Jeff

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John (UK)

08-24-2006 05:07:47




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 Re: drained trans fluid,want to clean with kerosen in reply to rusty nut, 08-23-2006 17:42:58  
If you do put kerosene in there do not have the PTO in drive as it will run the Hydraulic Pump and with kerosene there is not enough lubrication for that and it will damage it. I would think that you should leave it to stand with the kerosene in the transmission at least overnight (longer if possible) while it dissolves the crud, that would be better than running the transmission and risk damage to bearings etc. To avoid this problem in future, change the oil every 12 months, even just standing it deteriorates.Use the correct oil too for refilling, it should be 6 US galls of GL1 90W or 15W-30 Multi-grade, this is especially beneficial if you are in a cold winter zone as it does not go as thick as GL1.

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Jerry/MT

08-23-2006 21:34:09




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 Re: drained trans fluid,want to clean with kerosen in reply to rusty nut, 08-23-2006 17:42:58  
Search the archives. Jeff(OH) has a method that he has published for cleaning out the sumps. i don't recommend running it for any length of time with kerosene or diesel in it. It doesn't take much loose crap to screw up a hydraulic pump.



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Brian_NC

08-23-2006 19:20:51




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 Re: drained trans fluid,want to clean with kerosen in reply to rusty nut, 08-23-2006 17:42:58  
I would recommend pulling the plugs out and letting it drain overnight before flushing it. I have always put in 5 gallons of kerosene or diesel fuel, run the tractor a couple of minutes, it helps it slosh around if you drive on uneven ground and then drain it. I have used this method on everything from Fergusons to Farmalls without problem, although it does seems to make any oil leaks you have become a little worse, guess it cuts the crud that is helping the seal hold the oil back. I can't recall if I have even tried to work the lift or run the pto while doing this. As long as you don't run it too long in there it will definately clean it up. My neighbor has a TO30 that he purchased new in 1952, he has flushed it every couple of years since it was new,(he swears by this method) and it has never caused him any trouble.

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