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IN-LINE FUEL FILTERS-TO 30

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GUYELI

07-18-2006 16:16:47




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Does anyone know the size of the fuel line on a TO 30???. I'm looking for a good in-line fuel filter any suggestions would be helpful regarding size,make ,and position.I believe the kind w/cartridges that can be changed would be best.




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Jerry/MT

07-18-2006 22:42:55




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 Re: IN-LINE FUEL FILTERS-TO 30 in reply to GUYELI, 07-18-2006 16:16:47  
I believe it's a 5/16" line. I have used a Fram G-2 and I now use lawn mower filters from WalMart. I cut out about 2-3 inches of my fuel line about 3 inches from the sediment bowl outlet, flared both sides of the cut so it will seal the rubber fuel hoses and put my filter in the the gap. It's well away from the exhaust manifold.I works very well for me.



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Jerry/MT

07-18-2006 22:42:25




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 Re: IN-LINE FUEL FILTERS-TO 30 in reply to GUYELI, 07-18-2006 16:16:47  
I believe it's a 5/16" line. I have used a Fram G-2 and I now use lawn mower filters from WalMart. I cut out about 2-3 inches of my fuel line about 3 inches from the sediment bowl outlet, flared both sides of the cut so it will seal the rubber fuel hoses and put my filter in the the gap. It's well away from the exhaust manifold.I works very well for me.



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guyeli

07-19-2006 05:23:47




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 Re: IN-LINE FUEL FILTERS-TO 30 in reply to Jerry/MT, 07-18-2006 22:42:25  
Thanks for the input jerry,but how do you flare the ends of the existing line ???? Also does it really matter if I use 5/16 size fuel filter on 1/4" line? How do I measure fuel line to make sure of size??



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Jerry/MT

07-19-2006 12:04:56




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 Re: IN-LINE FUEL FILTERS-TO 30 in reply to guyeli, 07-19-2006 05:23:47  
I used a plumbing flaring tool and adjusted it so it just pooched the line out a little so when the spring clamp is attached, it seals the fuel line against the fuel tube. You measure the tubing OD to get the size.You do need to match the fuel line size to the end fittings on the filter and the filter has to be aligned with the arrow point to the direction of flow i.e. toward the carb. usually the filter will come with the rubber fuel tubes and spring clamps if it's an auto fuel filter. You'll have to buy your own rubber fuel hose and sprng clamps if you use a WalMart lawn mower filter but the hose and clamps are reusable.
gshadel has provided a whole bunch of other useful info so between these two posts you should have all the info you need.

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gshadel

07-19-2006 06:12:54




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 Re: IN-LINE FUEL FILTERS-TO 30 in reply to guyeli, 07-19-2006 05:23:47  
You need a flaring tool to flare the steel line. You can rent them, or borrow them from several auto parts places. Auto Zone (if you have those in your area) loans them out for free. You can try using a plumbing flaring tool, instead of a steel line flaring tool, however, my experience is the plumbing tool (intended for copper) flares the line too wide and splits the steel line unless you are real careful.

Take your existing fuel line to an auto parts place to match-up the correct ID. Don't ask for metal fuel line, they will look at you like you are insane. Ask for metal brake line, they will smile and be very helpful matching-up your line size, etc. (been there, done that).

You can go with a bigger filter than the current line size, I would not recommend going smaller, or risk starving fuel to the carb. It's pretty common to see plastic disposable filters hosed into old N's and Fergy's... make sure you do a good job. If you get a leak, or the hose lets loose while your working, your gravity drain gas tank will contribute to a Fergy Fireball!! ... Hence the use of steel lines in the original.

George

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guyeli

07-19-2006 12:38:28




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 Re: IN-LINE FUEL FILTERS-TO 30 in reply to gshadel, 07-19-2006 06:12:54  
Thanks George for your expertise,however you mention a larger filter is possible,for example lets say the size of my TO-30 fuel line is 1/4" does this mean I can place a 5/16" filter with 5/16" tube ends on a 1/4" size fuel line without worrying about leakage? or do I need to compensate for the larger tube ends somehow??



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gshadel

07-19-2006 12:57:33




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 Re: IN-LINE FUEL FILTERS-TO 30 in reply to guyeli, 07-19-2006 12:38:28  
You may be able to jamb a 1/4" ID hose onto a 5/16" hose barb end... but the hose may crack with time from being stretched. Some plastic fuel filters have hose barbs notching-up from small to large to accomodate several different hose ID's... I just installed one of those on my garden tractor like that. Might look for something like that. As a last resort, you could buy little brass fittings to convert from a flared end, to threaded, to hose barb diam. of your choice. Good luck with that, they can be hard to find.

Your stock To-30 fuel system should have a strainer in the tank, a separting bowl, and a "secret" strainer in the elbow going into the carb. Under most circumstances, that should do the trick. Just being curious... why do you want to install a in line fuel filter?

George

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Jerry/MT

07-19-2006 21:45:47




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 Re: IN-LINE FUEL FILTERS-TO 30 in reply to gshadel, 07-19-2006 12:57:33  
George & guyeli,

I use a filter on mine because I continue to have a very fine sediment in the fuel bowl on my TO-30. The in line strainer at the carb and the disk filter above the sediment bowl does not stop this stuff so I used a Fram G-2 for awhile and settled on the WalMart lawnmover filter because it was a little more compact and was designed for a gravity flow fuel system.( The Fram worked fine but was rather large.) It has worked well for me.
regarding the flaring tool, I don't recommend trying to put a full flare on the tubing. Just a little opening of the mouth of the tube to cause it to seal against the rubber fuel hose. SO the plumbing tool will work. Let the tube protrude about an eighth of an inch into the clamping part of the tool and just flare it enough to open the diameter a little bit.

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guyeli

07-19-2006 13:14:26




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 Re: IN-LINE FUEL FILTERS-TO 30 in reply to gshadel, 07-19-2006 12:57:33  
Lately George,I have been having problems w/small rust flakes in my system that have interfered w/starting and operating smoothly.Simply would like to add a modern filtration system to upgrade my current system and allow the changing of cartridges when necessary in addition to changing the sediment bowl as prescribed in the owners manual.I also like the look of a certain in line filter made of glass and metal at NAPA,but am uncertain whether to buy 1/4' or 5/16" size as I am not certain of my fuel line size.I suspect it is either 1/4" or 5/16" thats why I'm wondering if the 5/16" size fuel filter will work correctly even if the line turns out to be 1/4".Sorry to be so anyl,but my tractor is on my family farm 45 minutes from where I live and I try to be prepared to make repairs or upgrades w/o any additional drive time.Thanks again for your advice it is very helpful.

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gshadel

07-20-2006 06:31:50




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 Re: IN-LINE FUEL FILTERS-TO 30 in reply to guyeli, 07-19-2006 13:14:26  
Okay guys, no problem on the in line filters, just asking. Like I said, I see a lot of N's and Fergys with inline filters. I know exactly what your talking about with the glass/steel filters, they do look sharp! The 5/16" should work regardless. I think steel lines are measured ID, like hose. Even if you have a 1/4" ID steel line, by the time you flare it and slide the hose over the outside of the steel line, I'm sure it will seal fine.

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