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Position Control (Don't shoot me)

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Jared (IN)

06-26-2006 12:46:42




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I've read all the threads on this topic and would like to get a definitive answer. I really don't need a position control "80.00 Thing" if I bypass the draft control top link? Using either side of the longer pin'd stationary area below the control spring will let me use the hydraulics as positive control?

Also I didn't know if there was a certain tourqe spec for the split front wheel weights. I couldn't find ferguson ones and there is little said in the manual other than they're an "accessory". I found some FoMoCo ones that will hopefully fit and was just wondering what that might be.

Thanks everyone for a great resource!

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scott morrow

06-27-2006 11:27:18




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 Re: Position Control (Don't shoot me) in reply to Jared (IN), 06-26-2006 12:46:42  
Thanks Jeff-oh I was looking for my pics of it thanks for posting. Scott



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John (UK)

06-27-2006 06:25:38




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 Re: Position Control (Don't shoot me) in reply to Jared (IN), 06-26-2006 12:46:42  
The Draft Control only works when there is a pressure down the top link, when there isn"t the plunger through the Control Spring butts up against the Hydraulic Top Cover so it pulls on that not the Control Linkage. It doesn"t make any difference attaching to the hinged pin if you only have an overhung weight or a weight pulling on it, the result is the same as if it was attached to the Top Link Rocker. So if you have any implement that uses a Top Link you will get the same result as if you had it on the Hinged Pin when you are operating an implement above ground. What you may be confusing this with is if you start lowering the implement slowly (when it is mounted normally with a top link)and then move the lever up a little you will find a spot where it neither lifts not lowers, just put your lever marker to this point and you can return to it. The Post Hole Borer and the Crane used the hinged pin as the top mounting point and they both could always have used Position Control if there had been one available as it would have been much easier to control. A proper position Control actually varies the height automatically should it drop a little due to a leak or excess weight using a cam on the cross-shaft (internally or externally) to operate either the Control Lever or the position of the Quadrant on the tractor depending on which Position Control kit you buy, this in turn moves the Control Valve to allow the Hydraulics to lift or lower slightly as required to maintain a given height above the ground. So NO it does not work like you think, if it did there would be no need for a "Zane Thang"

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scott morrow

06-26-2006 13:05:36




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 Re: Position Control (Don't shoot me) in reply to Jared (IN), 06-26-2006 12:46:42  
Yes if you use the long pin threw the three ears on the rearend you acieve position control. Harry was a very smart man he desigined this to be used with the feguson crane and his haymower to bypast the draft control send me a email at jd3155@hotmail and I will send a pic of a bracket that will work Scott



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Jeff-oh

06-27-2006 09:10:58




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 Re: Position Control (Don't shoot me) in reply to scott morrow, 06-26-2006 13:05:36  
Here are pictures of what scott is talking about.

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Jeff



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Jared (IN)

06-28-2006 07:14:41




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 Re: Position Control (Don't shoot me) in reply to Jeff-oh, 06-27-2006 09:10:58  
Thanks for posting the pics! Now I just have to make one or find one for sale. Any takers?



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Jeff-oh

06-28-2006 08:37:51




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 Re: Position Control (Don't shoot me) in reply to Jared (IN), 06-28-2006 07:14:41  
This bracket must be home made. Scott Morrow makes a few to sell. But original brackets for sicle bar mowers are not wide enough for traditional top links. This was done so that you could not mistakenly hook up to it with a plow.



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