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SEEKING KNOWLEDGE-TO-30

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GUYELI

04-30-2006 16:34:59




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Cranked up my 1952 TO-30 yesterday(Saturday),she cranked right overn after 2 turns.Today,however it's a different story.I cranked her to no avail at 10-12 turns then let her rest ,another 8-10 turns,then rest,til finally she would barely turn at all.I took my voltmeter and put it on the 6-volt battery and it read 6-volts,I assume that means the battery is good.Now I'm wondering if it is some other problem or issue.I also noticed my oil gauge showed 10 lbs of pressure even though the engine was not running.The starter was rebuilt last Sept,but as it turned I could hear a slight hissing during and moments after a turn almost as if it was turning against a great deal of pressure and then as if the pressure released after the starter quit turning. Sorry to be so long winded,but I'm determined to get past these starting difficulties.So far I've replaced the battery,voltage regulator,rebuilt both the generator and the starter in the last 4 mos,but still have stubborn episodes where she refuses to turn over.PLEASE ADVISE!!!!!

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gshadel

05-01-2006 07:51:59




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 Re: SEEKING KNOWLEDGE-TO-30 in reply to GUYELI, 04-30-2006 16:34:59  
Check spark? Dampness from dew can shutdown a 6V system with dirty connections, cracked wiring, etc.

Are you closing your fuel shut-off when your shutdown for the day? Upflow carbs are sensitive to the fuel level being too high in the fuel bowl, the fuel can't vaporize, engine acts like it isn't getting any gas, when the problem is just the opposite!
It's caused by fuel leaking by the needle valve after sitting a while, thanks to the weight of the gas in your gravity flow fuel tank - which is why the fuel shut-off is there in the first place.

Try this - charge your battery back up, close your fuel shut-off, pull the drain plug in the carb and drain it down. Re-install plug, open fuel shut-off, give your carb ~30 seconds to re-fill, then crank-er-up.
If she starts - that's it. Also, don't be suprised if you discover the fuel shut-off doesn't shut-off - they go bad or get gunked-up and leak thru.

The hissing sounds like maybe leaky valve(s). Checked compression lately?
Not necessarily a showstopper unless it is seriously hurting compression.

Could be timing too, like the other guys say, might be good to check that once you get her running again. Actually pretty easy with a timing light.

Hope this helps!
George

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Sodbuster

05-01-2006 04:59:09




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 Re: SEEKING KNOWLEDGE-TO-30 in reply to GUYELI, 04-30-2006 16:34:59  
Sounds to me like you have tune-up problems and the battery is merely running itself down. Have your battery checked for weak cells etc and have charged, or take another battery from car etc. and try in tractor, if you have same results then check your cables as Jerry suggested. If you still have the same problem, check your tune up. Tractor should not have to take 10-12 turns to start it. Probably in your tune up.

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Jerry/MT

04-30-2006 18:39:08




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 Re: SEEKING KNOWLEDGE-TO-30 in reply to GUYELI, 04-30-2006 16:34:59  
When you crank the starter over a couple of times and then it won't turn over after two tries, something is wrong. Do you have 0 or 00 cables between the battery and the starter switch and from the starter switch to the starter motor? Since you have a 6V system, big cables are a requirement to carry the heavy current load at low voltage. Try to start again and when it won't turn over, feel along the cables to starter switch, feel the starter switch, then the cable between the starter switch and the strter motor and finnally feel the starter motor.Look for a component that feels warm or even hot. That's the one with the high resitance that could be the cause of your problem. Just because your battery reads 6V on your volt meter doesn't mean the battery is necessarily good. It may not have the capacity to turn over the engine repeatedly. Charge it up and retry starting. In fact do this first before the other checks. If it takes a charge and then cranks over normally, I'd check the charging system. If it won't hold a charge, that could also be the culprit.

An oil pressure reading with the engine off while a near normal pressure reading occurs with the engine running sounds like a damaged gauge that doen't return to zero. If it stays at 10 psi always, then I'd say the oil sinse line is plugged and you have a trapped pressure in the gauge.

Regarding the hissing noise, could you tell where it was coming from? I'll have to ponder that one. Is the breather pipe clear. It could be plugged with crap and corruption.

Incidently, when was the last time your tractor had a motor tune up? You shouldn't have to grind it over and over to get it started and with a 6V system, everything in the ignition circuit has too be right on the money to get reliable quick starts.You might want to consider a tune up soon.
Hope this helps you.

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Bill - SC

05-01-2006 18:15:14




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 Re: SEEKING KNOWLEDGE-TO-30 in reply to Jerry/MT, 04-30-2006 18:39:08  
Regarding the Hissing sound you heard. I have read at some time or other that on occasions if the head gasket is bad or going water can leak into cylinders or bedrawn in when trying to start the engine. If enough water gets in it will lock the engine on the compression stroke.
You may want to pull the plugs and take a look, then do a compression test and look for low compression on adjactent cylinders. The hissing can be compression leaking past a bad head gasket into the water in the block and out through the radiator cap. I know this seems far fetched, but a compression check can still be imformative.

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RustyAL

04-30-2006 18:30:48




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 Re: SEEKING KNOWLEDGE-TO-30 in reply to GUYELI, 04-30-2006 16:34:59  
Sounds like the battery just got weak from turning it over. Your battery can show 6 volts even when it is weak. Some of these old tractors are funny about where the throttle is when you try to crank the tractor. To much gas and it will flood then you just run the battery down. My sons carburetor on his TO-30 has a sticky valve. 90% of the time it will crank. Unscrew the plug on the bottom of the carb and no gas 10% of the time. A few taps on the side of the carb and you got ignition.

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