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VA

09-15-2000 17:28:27




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Hi, its me again. Y'all last heard from me a couple weeks ago and one of the questions I had was about puffs of white smoke my tractor would cough up occasionally. The three suggestions I got were: bad head gasket, water in gas, and she needs some marvel mystery oil. Well I have since drained all the gas and put in mystery oil with the new gas. Not only does it still smoke some it now smokes all the time! I was warned the marvel mystery oil would make it smoke some while it cleaned it out but I have run it several times since and it still does. let me describe the symptoms as it now stands. The tractor starts no problem and it runs just fine (except a small stream of white smoke out the tail pipe) most of the time but it occasionally coughs a puff or two of smoke out the tail and where the manifold joins the tail pipe. Just today it started mildly backfiring when it coughed. I have only run it a few times for a few minutes each since I put in the new gas so maybe it ain't done cleaning out yet. I thought I had ruled out the head gasket because the oil had no sign of water in it. The old oil was black as midnight and the new oil is still as pretty as can be. I say all this to ask if I should run her heavy this weekend or not. If it is a head gasket problem do I risk damage by running it? What do ya'll think? Thanksin advance VA.

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Dave G

09-17-2000 04:22:19




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 Re: smoke and backfire in reply to VA, 09-15-2000 17:28:27  
Hello there again. You and I have similar problems as far as the white smoke coming out of the exhaust. I should have expanded a little more about the head gasket. I just pulled the head on my TO-35 and it was a warped head that caused my head gasket to fail. I had white smoke streaming out of the tail pipe, but I did not get the coughing that you described, which tells me that my valves were in good shape. I checked the mounting surface with a metal ruler. I sent the head out to be shaved to take care of the warp problem. I'm also having the rest of the parts on the head replaced since I've gone this far.

I had mentioned before to check your oil for color and clarity in case there was coolant getting into it. It's good that your oil seems to be holding up, but it doesn't rule out the head gasket or warped head problem. You may be getting coolant in the cylinder(s) without it getting into the oil. Pay attention to the smoke coming out of your tail pipe. If it is white, it is steam. If it has a blue tint, it is oil, but it may be because of the MM Oil. Another quick and painless check is to pull your spark plugs and with a flashlight, look at your pistons. If you have coolant getting into the cylinder(s), those pistons will look, brand new, out of the box clean. The cylinders that aren't getting coolant in them will have carbon on them. Also, watch to see if you seem to be using more coolant than normal.

The puff of smoke where the exhaust pipe meets the manifold suggests a loose connection there. That's a minor problem.

Billy pretty much covered the sticky valve situation in his post. Hope this helps! ~ Dave

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Billy

09-15-2000 20:43:50




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 Re: smoke and backfire in reply to VA, 09-15-2000 17:28:27  
VA, I am the one that suggested that you might be experiencing a sticking exhaust valve and that Marvel Mystery Oil might help. The oil in your gas will cause the engine to smoke because, well, you are burning oil with your gas. thats normal. The oil acts as a solvent to dissolve the gum and varnish that is on the valve stems and guides that can cause the valves to occasionally stick in a partially open position. When a cylinder fires with an exhaust valve that did not completely close, the exploding gases rush past the open valve and explode not only in the cylinder but the exhaust manifold and tail pipe. This is heard as a back fire. When an intake valve sticks the same thing happens in the intake manifold and even into the carburetor. This is heard more as a subdued back fire or cough. You need to run the engine for an extended period of time at operating temperature for solvents in the MM oil to do their work. If you are indeed experiencing sticking valves, 8 or 10 gallons of gas with the MM oil should be suffecient to clean them. As the valves begin to get clean, you can hear the motor start to run smoother and gain in power. Sometimes a valve will stick because the engine has not been used for an extended period of time. Some times the MM oil will get to the valve stems and guides better if it is put into the engine oil. My advice would be to run it long and steady for a couple of days and see if it doesn't improve. Good luck and keep in touch.

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VA

09-16-2000 18:05:32




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 Re: Re: smoke and backfire in reply to Billy, 09-15-2000 20:43:50  
Billy, Thanks for the reply. I am no mechanic and you have helped explain things. It sounds like the smoke is just the MM doing its job. I'll give it a little work out when I can (this weekend did not work out for me) and see if it clears up. I'll let you know. Thanks again. VA.



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