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Still stalling under load

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slideways

03-09-2006 06:14:57




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I"ve been trying to figure this out but now i"m starting to throw parts at it and i dont want to waste alot of $ doing that. My TE20 seemed to be having a spark problem which it would run for awhile and then stumble and stall. After a few minutes it would fire back up and run for a few more minutes and then die again pretty permanently. So i changed the coil to a brand new one and i changed the main plug wire and the rest of the wires. I"m going to change plugs today.

The tractor can sit and idle/run for hours with no trouble but once it gets a load put on it and starts to get used like it should it has trouble. I"m wondering if its the carb now.

Any thoughts before i start taking the carb apart?

Thanks

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Ed H.-OH

03-09-2006 19:16:26




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 Re: Still stalling under load in reply to slideways, 03-09-2006 06:14:57  
Hello, I have seen you're symptoms a couple of times that it turned out that the valves had not been set in many years ( not many people do unles they have problems). The valves wear into the seat and close up the clearance to (0) and when it gets hot and everything expands it holds 1 or 2 intakes open a little bit , and when that cylinder fires it leaks into the intake turning the vacume into pressure and stops the fuel/ vapor from the carb.(Engine stops)-Hope this helps, Good luck-ed

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slideways

03-09-2006 16:24:25




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 Re: Still stalling under load in reply to slideways, 03-09-2006 06:14:57  
Thanks for the suggestions guys,
Whatever i did seemed to fix it today. I changed all of the plug wires and the plugs with the Champion D21's. Then i pulled the plug out of the carb and some fuel drained out (i had the valve shut off though). It looked clean so i didnt take the carb apart. I did adjust the main jet a little after i took it out and checked it for cleanliness.

I noticed that the Lucas cap has thread on boots with small brass discs that the wire cores run into to make contact with the stems on the cap. I just used the standard boots and got lots of wire core into the little discs to make good contacts. Hopefully it holds on good but if it starts to miss that'll be the first thing i check. I guess if i want to fix it right i need the Lucas cap and spec plug wires. I'm sure they arent cheap. I saw the cap in the catalog for $33 alone the other day!

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Jerry/MT

03-09-2006 16:59:20




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 Re: Still stalling under load in reply to slideways, 03-09-2006 16:24:25  
Cheeck the guys to the left of this page. $33 for a distributor cap is rediculous! Hell it ain't the Space Shuttle your drivin'! Before you spend that kind of money there are probably 50 people on this forum that will tell you where you can get one for a reasonable price.



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Jerry/MT

03-09-2006 12:32:24




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 Re: Still stalling under load in reply to slideways, 03-09-2006 06:14:57  
I always recommend that you check the spark first. Pull the boot off the spark plug, put in a paper clip, hold it near a good ground and you should have a fat, bluish spark. If you don't check the primary ignition circuit to make sure that you have near battery voltage to the coil when the points are closed. Make sure that your points aren't corroded or oily and are properly gapped. Check the distributor shaft for wear by pushing on it RADIALLY(i.e from the side) with the points closed and watch the points. If points open or move quite a bit, your shaftand/or bushing need to be replaced. Don't forget to check the key switch too. they sometimes develop high resistance and need replacement. You can get an idea by turning on the ignition with the points closed and feeling the back of the switch. If it gets hot, it has a high reistance. make sure that you plug wires are on correctly. the firing order is 1-3-4-2 and the distributor rotates counterclockwise.
gshadel told you how to look for problems with the condensor. hook up the timing light and check the timing AND the advance mechanism . Advance the throttle and the timing should advance. After you done all that and corrected any problems so that you have the required fat bluish spark, and the timing is right,then go on and check the fuel system supply as noted below by gshadel. Get back here and tell us what you found. Jerry/MT, the "cow peeein'on a flat rock" guy.

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gshadel

03-09-2006 12:49:44




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 Re: Still stalling under load in reply to Jerry/MT, 03-09-2006 12:32:24  
Jerry, so your the "cow peeing on a flat rock" guy! I couldn't remember who that was. I love that analogy! It's easy to picture what that's suppose to look like! I love it!
thanks

George



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Jerry/MT

03-09-2006 16:55:14




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 Re: Still stalling under load in reply to gshadel, 03-09-2006 12:49:44  
George,
It's an ol' saying I picked up somewhere and it's usually good for a laugh. But it also illustrates a point because it's so visual. Enjoy!
Regards,
Jerry



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gshadel

03-09-2006 08:55:35




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 Re: Still stalling under load in reply to slideways, 03-09-2006 06:14:57  
Still not sure if you have a good spark, or not from your post. Do you have a good, blue, zappy spark? A weak yellow spark is NO GOOD! Take a look at your points/condenser. The point gap has to be right on the money. Too tight, or too loose = weak spark. If your gap is right, watch your points while cranking your engine, if you see arcing across the points when they open, means bad condenser, which robs you of good spark.
Since your already into the ignition, I recommend working thru that until your sure you have a good blue spark. Once your sure your spark is good, I recommend just pulling the drain plug on the bottom of your carb and letting the gas run into a bucket for a couple minutes, not a couple seconds, a couple minutes. The gas flow should really run out in a full, solid stream. One guy on this site says it should run " like a cow peeing on a flat rock" That's a great analogy! If the fuel flow slows, gulps, or does anything other than running out at a full steady stream, you have either a tank venting problem, or a clogged fuel line/strainer.

The carb. itself is pretty bullet proof. If it runs fine at idle, but dies under load, I would not immediately suspect a carb problem, but a spark problem, fuel flow problem, or power mix screw adjustment. Maybe try adjusting the power screw on the carb (the big mixture screw) according to the manual.
If that STILL doesn't fix your problem, check your engine timing.

That's all free troubleshooting to keep you from throwing money into parts that may not be necessary.

hope that helps
George

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steveormary

03-09-2006 08:49:48




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 Re: Still stalling under load in reply to slideways, 03-09-2006 06:14:57  
slideways

Check fuel flow to the carb or thru the carb. Remove the plug on the bottom of the carb. You will need a good flow. If you dont have it work your way back to the tank. Check fitting at carb. and fuel shutoff and filter below the tank.

steveormary



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TEXAS SLIM

03-09-2006 08:34:11




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 Re: Still stalling under load in reply to slideways, 03-09-2006 06:14:57  
My TO20 did the same thing at one time, it ended up being a fuel problem, the tank had rust in it and would stop up the screen. would not see it in the bowl, but the engine was starving for fuel under a load.



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