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Mark

09-01-2000 20:37:10




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I've been looking for a small tractor to restore and use, and had pretty much decided to find an 8N, but just stumbled across a 1948 Ferguson TE-20 right here in my neighborhood (serial TE 39627). I'm intrigued.

On the plus side: It started and ran fine, and I drove it for a few minutes and the steering seemed nice and tight. The 3 point stays up on it's own. It appears to have been converted to 12v (though the alternator or whatever that thing is looks real tacky).

On the minus side: The hood/front side panels)are pretty bad, (though the grill seems surprisingly good), the tires are basically shot, and I think at least one of the back rims will require replacement (leaky tube filled with sodium choride). The exhaust system is shot and the place where the battery sits under the hood is fairly corroded, and someone tried to add a gauge on the dash and that would have to be repaired. It could be these are minor problems, as old machines go, but they still cost alot of $$.

Questions: Should it matter whether it's a TE vs a TO? How tough is it to get sheet metal replacement parts? The guy is asking $1300 for it, but with the item's I've mentioned (along with the usual leaky seals, etc) it seems high. How much SHOULD it sell for, given today's values? I priced 11.2 X 28 rears, and the lowest I could find was $145 each (is that good?), and probably around $90 each for new rims. What other questions SHOULD I be asking before making a decision?

Any advice on this potential purchase would be greatly appreciated.

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Mark

09-04-2000 15:41:48




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 Re: TE-20 Available in reply to Mark, 09-01-2000 20:37:10  
I have inspected the TE-20 further, and there are a couple of problems (one in particular) I have discovered that might be issues - I'm not sure. It sure doesn't seem like it could be repaired easily to look like original, that's for certain.

The place where the transmission bolts to the engine is missing a few bolts, and, on each side using the holes in about the middle, someone drilled out through the transmission "bell" housing (for lack of a better description) and put bolts through to draw the tractor together. There is no gap, but it sure looks shoddy and I wonder about the structural integrity of it with several bolts missing (maybe some of the holes are stripped?).

Can this even be repaired correctly (without an entirely new transmission housing), or would I have to live with bolts sticking through? Should this be a concern, or is this common in these tractors?

A second (and less troubling) observation is that the "ball units" in both ends of both three-point arms are really loose. Can these be repaired or do the arms have to be replaced with new ones (I can't see how they even put those balls in there in the first place!)? Are there aftermarket/replacement arms, or does a person simply have to find used ones in better shape than the existing ones?

I'd appreciate any advice available on these issues. Thanks!

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Bill Mc

09-04-2000 17:34:01




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 Re: Re: TE-20 Available in reply to Mark, 09-04-2000 15:41:48  
Mark the lift arms are easy to replace most farm stores (quality farm $ fleet) have them for $50 each.As for as the engine bellhousing problem I can only asume that the wrong engine is mated to the trany. The proper engine should be the continental Z120A 600. The numbers are on the left side of the block(sitting on the tractor)just below the distributor.Give it a look and post back. By the way $1300 in my neck of the woods is DIRT CHEAP!!Check the tires, new tires and tubes could run $500 to $700 depending on the size and rim condition.Good Luck!!8>)

Bill Mc

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Mark

09-04-2000 19:02:07




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 Re: Re: Re: TE-20 Available in reply to Bill Mc, 09-04-2000 17:34:01  
I have looked at the engine number, and it yields a mystery: It appears the engine number has been "modified", but to gain what advantage I cannot imagine!

It appears that the engine number was cast as a "129", but the "9" was ground off (you can just barely tell from what's left of the number that it started out life as a "9", as what's left of the casting has that shape - it was not ground to level with the block) and a "0" was stamped in the spot that was ground off. It was never meant to fool anyone, obviously, but why would this be done?

As far it this being an incorrect mating of the engine/transmission, I can't see that as the contours are all correct. I was assuming someone stripped out the threads in the transmission and this was the only way they could regain some integrity. Even if this were a 129 block, why would someone go to the trouble to grind out the 9 and stamp in a 0? Either way, do I have some kind of "Frankenstein" tractor here? With the "modified" engine number, how can a person tell?

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Bill Mc

09-04-2000 20:43:51




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: TE-20 Available in reply to Mark, 09-04-2000 19:02:07  
Mark the 129 is the TO-30 engine number.I personally do not know if the 129 will bolt up to the 120 bellhousing . I do know that the te20 had a different clutch configuration.My best advice is to keep posting and hopefully someone with better information will respond.Also pictures help if you have a digital camera or a scanner .You might also try the ferguson club at yahoo, membership is free. look in the artical archives to the left of this page for more info.Good luck

Bill Mc

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Tex Ferguson

09-02-2000 19:06:13




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 Re: TE-20 Available in reply to Mark, 09-01-2000 20:37:10  
Congratulations, Mark! This is a great buy! I bought a '49 TE-20 5 years ago and have not had any problems, just the usual little stuff like tuneups, carb overhaul and new battery. The tractor is easy to work on and I'm sure you'll enjoy having it. Tin should be easy enough to find.
Keep us posted on your progress! Good luck, Tex



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SandyB@TN

09-02-2000 06:42:17




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 Re: TE-20 Available in reply to Mark, 09-01-2000 20:37:10  
Mark,
Going in, be it known, that if you are getting a tractor that's 52 years old, it will need some work, Whether it's a Fergie or a Ford. Unless of course it's been fully restored, in which case you won't get it for $1300. $145 for a rear tire ain't bad. You should be able to find the rear rims for around $75. The sheet metal can probably be found in a bone yard. The difference between the TE and the TO is minor. That particular tractor probably has the Continental Z120 engine. Check on the left side of the block toward the bottom left. The advantage in the Z120, is the distributor and and starter are Delco, and a little easier to get parts for.
Rod will probably jump in here somewhere. He has experience with the TE, that I don't.
My own preference is for the Fergie over the 8N. I've worked on both, and the Fergie is a more refined design. The transmission and the rear end are much more robust. The only advantage the 8N has over the Fergie, is position control of the hydraulics. You can add a ZaneThang to the hydraulics for $80 and kill that advantage. The Fergie is just a heavier duty design.
Around here, East Tennessee, $1300, for anything that runs, would be dirt cheap and would be snarfed up in a heart beat. If you are afraid to work on it, an antique tractor is not for you...you'll have to be the judge of that. These comments are not meant to discourage, just to inform.
Hope I haven't clouded the issue, hope the TE guys will jump in and give us their insight.
Sandy

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