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mark from the f

02-09-2006 22:05:07




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I keep reading about the standard brand of engine in the fergies..do they differ much from continental engine?
Are the standard blocks labeled "standard" on the block casting? Did standard use the Z134 in its name?
Curious George..... ...




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John (UK)

02-12-2006 10:22:05




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 Re: difference between standard and continental in reply to mark from the fort, 02-09-2006 22:05:07  
I think what confuses most people is the name "Standard" this is the abbreviated way we talk about engines from the Standard Motor Co. in UK as opposed to the Continental engines made in USA. Standard Motor Co. made the Ferguson tractor for Harry Ferguson in Coventry in UK and naturally they used one of their engines. Last Continental engine used in a Ferguson in the UK was supposed to be tractor 48,000 but we have found instances of factory fitted engines much later than this.

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Powerband

02-10-2006 15:54:33




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 Re: difference between standard and continental in reply to mark from the fort, 02-09-2006 22:05:07  
So the standard engine used in the USA is the Continental and over on the continent the didn't use the Continental they used the Standard engine... Yea now I got it!.

Who's on first??.



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Jeff-oh

02-10-2006 06:41:27




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 Re: difference between standard and continental in reply to mark from the fort, 02-09-2006 22:05:07  
Here is a visual of the two engines.

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The Continental Z-120 motor is a TE-20

And...

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The Standard Motor in a TED-20. You can tell this is a TED as it has a dual fuel gas tank. The little tank at the rear is for petrol to start the engine and the larger thank held TVO/Paraffin to run on. But it is the same basic motor that is in the TEA.

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Jerry/MT

02-10-2006 14:54:45




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 Re: difference between standard and continental in reply to Jeff-oh, 02-10-2006 06:41:27  
Jeff, what you have labeled as the "solenoid" is really the ignition coil.



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Jeff-oh

02-13-2006 05:38:40




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 Re: difference between standard and continental in reply to Jerry/MT, 02-10-2006 14:54:45  
oops... I labeled too quick.



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Bill Brox

02-21-2006 06:10:35




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 Re: difference between standard and continental in reply to Jeff-oh, 02-13-2006 05:38:40  
Hm... solenoid... we have to investigate this, how could your brain come up with the word solenoid on a TED 20 ? There should be none.

We demand an explanation on this one... labeling too quick is a too simple explanation... lol

I'd say some wires in your brain must be messed up... or maybe a database index error... lol
Has anyone tampered with your brain lately ? :-)

Sorry,,, I just couldn't resist.

Bill

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Jeff-oh

02-10-2006 05:33:05




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 Re: difference between standard and continental in reply to mark from the fort, 02-09-2006 22:05:07  
The "standard" motor you are reading about is an engine made by The Standard Motor Company of Coventry England. This is the same engine that was put in the British Triumph Sports Car. Sir John Black owned The Standard Motor Company. HF and Black made an agreement to produce the Ferguson tractor in England to supply the English market and Europe. When Ford canceled the handshake agreement HF was in a need to supply his dealers network in the US. Thus, the production schedule was accelerated to the extent that the anticipated engine for the tractor (Sir John Black's "Standard" motor) would not be ready in time.

With this problem HF went to the Continental Motor company and arranged to ship the Z-120 to England to supply the production line until Black's motor was ready. It took ~ a year and the switch over was made in 1948 around SN 45000.

In the meantime HF was setting up a plant in Cleveland, OH that fell through and he ended up building Ferguson Park in Detroit. Ferguson Park produced the TO-20. The TO-20 used the same Continental Z-120 engine.

Now that the immediate crisis of supplying the US dealers had been met the Coventry, England Plant using the standard motor supplied Europe and Canada with TEA-20's until 1955. The Detroit Plant supplied the US with TO-20's and TO-30's.

The Z134 is a Continental Motor Company engine used in the TO-35 and the F-40 tractors. It is not a Standard Motor Company engine.

Enough history for now ehh?

Jeff

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mark from the fort

02-10-2006 09:51:59




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 Re: difference between standard and continental in reply to Jeff-oh, 02-10-2006 05:33:05  
I think I miss understood. The guy told me his to 35 dash plate started something like SGF then the serial number. when I asked about the SGF all he knew was that the S stood for a Standard Gas engine. I assumed that was the Old Standard Gas motors-but your telling me TO 35 all came with Continental Z134 blocks.. That makes more sense.
He was thinking about selling it and since I don"t kow squat about the Standard type motor, I was backing away quickly. I like the continental blocks a ton. Thanks Mark

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Jeff-oh

02-10-2006 10:54:33




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 Re: difference between standard and continental in reply to mark from the fort, 02-10-2006 09:51:59  
The SGF
Serial number letters describe the tractor:
1st letter is the chassis
2nd Fuel type/engine
3rd Clutch type

In your case SGF Stands for
S- Standard Tractor i.e. wide front general purpose utility axel. Nothing to do with the engine.
G- Gasoline engine
F-Single stage clutch.

Here are the SN codes used by MF:

S- Standard/Utility C- High Clearance/Hi-arch
R- Row-crop two wheel
T- Row-crop single wheel
J- Industrial/multi-purpose
V- Vineyard

G- Gasoline
H- High altitude gasoline
B- L. P. G.
D- Standard Diesel
N- Perkins Diesel
K- Vaporizing Oil (TVO)
L- Lamp oil

F- Single-stage clutch
M- Dual-stage clutch
Y- Differential lock
W- Multi-power

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J. Schwiebert

02-10-2006 05:08:21




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 Re: difference between standard and continental in reply to mark from the fort, 02-09-2006 22:05:07  
I am not the fergie man but a year ago in the vocational school I sub for they had both a TO & TE in the shop at the same time. It was interesting to see the two side by side. There are many differences. Don't forget the Standard is an English engine and the Continental Z engine is an American engine.



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John (UK)

02-11-2006 11:16:55




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 Re: difference between standard and continental in reply to J. Schwiebert, 02-10-2006 05:08:21  
Just to cause more confusion if the tractor had a Standard Motors engine it was not a TE20 it was most likely a TEA, it is only a TE20 when it has a Continental engine and it is made in UK. I say "most likely it was a TEA" that is because there were variations to that basic TEA engine and for every variation it had a different 3rd letter to let you know what it was.



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mark from the fort

02-10-2006 15:47:39




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 Re: difference between standard and continental in reply to J. Schwiebert, 02-10-2006 05:08:21  
I want to thank you guys....he really had me lost by the whole "standard engine" thing...here I thought I knew a little about the 35's and this guy just about sent me to the loony farm.
Thanks for the elaborate breakdown...very appreciated.



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