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Replacement starter for a TO20

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Pieter(RSA)

01-22-2006 01:54:49




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By fluke I discovered that the starter on my TO20 is , exept for the fixing bolt holes, identical to the LUCAS used on the old Ford Escort (1600 Kent motor).
The only modification is, only the two opposite holes are used for fixing (The Escort starter has three), and these holes have then to be filed or cut out to fit the greater pitch of those of the tractor. I cut mine into slots with a hacksaw. This was the result of problems I had finding a starter for the tractor. I hope this will help a few desperate people!

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Duner Wi

01-22-2006 17:17:19




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 Re: Replacement starter for a TO20 in reply to Pieter(RSA), 01-22-2006 01:54:49  
Pieter: Thanks for the tip but could you please give us a part # off the old starter maybe. The reason I ask is in the USA the push rod Kent engine has been around for 45 years and maybe longer. My first memory of the Kent was in the Ford Cortina,Ford Pinto for a couple of years and Ford Fiesta from the 70"s. As far as I know the Ford Escort in USA had 1600cc OHC engine starting 1981. Did they call that a Kent engine too? Thanks!

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Pieter(RSA)

01-23-2006 02:24:52




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 Re: Replacement starter for a TO20 in reply to Duner Wi, 01-22-2006 17:17:19  

Correction: My tractor is a TED203653 and Idon't know how interchangable starters were amongst the different tractor models.

To try and answer your question:
The starter was from the earlier, rear wheel driven Escorts and was identified as the 'body mounted solenoid' or inertia starter. To my knowledge these cars were all fitted with the popular flat cylinder head 1600cc Kent motor. These motors were also used on the earlier issues of the 'Erica' Escort and the first 1600cc Sierras, as they were known here.
The later overhead cam Erica Escort motors were fitted with a starter mounted solenoid and is different to the 'inertia' starter.

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John (UK)

01-23-2006 12:34:36




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 Re: Replacement starter for a TO20 in reply to Pieter(RSA), 01-23-2006 02:24:52  
Pieter, Your tractor is a 12 volt then, they changed to 12v at 200,001 in 1951. There is no shortage of 12 volt starters for this engine. The starter on here only fits Standard Motors 85mm engines from 200,001 and all the 87mm engines.
Just a question, do you still run your TED on TVO if not what do you use?



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Pieter(RSA)

01-23-2006 21:07:00




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 Re: Replacement starter for a TED in reply to John (UK), 01-23-2006 12:34:36  
I assume your TVO is what is known here as VOCO, a power parrafin. Since a dry-up of supply, about three years ago, I started running my engine on leaded 93 octane petrol. The perfomance increased drastically and the habit of 'killing' spark plugs disappeared. Leaded fuel is now on the verge of getting discontinued here and I'd like your comment on running the engine on unleaded, laced with two stroke oil. The proportions is still another question. Original starters are hard to get hold of here and very expensive, all second hand, if you can find one. That is why I reverted to the Lucas starter used on Ford engines, as discussed, as they are easier to come by and much cheaper.

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John (UK)

01-24-2006 10:19:48




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 Re: Replacement starter for a TED in reply to Pieter(RSA), 01-23-2006 21:07:00  
It sounds like the same fuel from what you say, it is possible to make this and I do have a "recipe" for doing just that. That engine should run on the lowest octane petrol you can get, it only has a low compression and it may overheat and start burning valves if you run on a higher octane rating. You need to remove the manifold cover too as the manifold does not need to get as hot as when burning TVO.
There is no need to use any additives with this engine as when it was introduced we didn't have leaded fuel here in UK and it was designed to run like that, on very low grade TVO which is much lower than petrol. The valves are lubricated by the sump breather back into the air cleaner and then into the air intake, there is also another feed of oily air from the Valve Cover to the Inlet manifold just above the carburettor.If you run on just petrol then change the spark plugs to Champion L10 or equivalent set to .030"-.032" If you run it on TVO you should have Champion N21 or equivalent set to .030"-.035" Strictly speaking a TED should not be running on Paraffin as the octane is too low and the compression of this engine is too high, there was an engine made to run on paraffin and it was a Low-Octane unit fitted in a TEH (same tractor but different engine spec.)so possibly wrong fuel caused your plug problems or maybe just wrong plugs, which is the usual thing. The "recipe" for TVO is as follows:-
75% 28sec Burning Oil (Central Heating Oil)
15% Petrol
10% Diesel The engines will run on this quite well, start on petrol just the same and change over when it reaches the green on the temp gauge, be sure to have correct thermostat so it will keep hot (starts to open at 75 deg.C /167 deg.F)If you run on petrol only you can increase the oil changes to 120 hours instead of 60 hours on TVO, filter change is every other oil change for both.

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Pieter(RSA)

01-25-2006 01:02:21




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 Re: Replacement starter for a TED in reply to John (UK), 01-24-2006 10:19:48  
Your advice is much appreciated.
Is the feedback valve lubrication the reason why the exhaust never burns white? My engine's oil consumption is very low. Using just petrol is so convenient, you could start it at any time and never have to remember to switch it back to petrol or to drain if you forgot.
Here in South-Africa we don't make use of central heating, rather central cooling. I've never seen real snow in my life! Is the central heating oil you've mentioned maybe the same as the white (transparent) lamp parrafin or lamp oil?

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John (UK)

01-25-2006 08:05:03




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 Re: Replacement starter for a TED in reply to Pieter(RSA), 01-25-2006 01:02:21  
The exhaust not going white is usually due to running on unleaded fuel, but as you say you are using leaded at this time it may be due to the mixture being a little richer than a petrol engine would normally be (the carbs are not the same) this together with some oily fumes from the sump breather may possibly be the answer, although I have seen a white exhaust on a TEA's (a proper petrol engine) when running on leaded.
The Central heating oil is similar to the lamp oil you mention and that is Zero Octane and the other version of your engine would run on that. Differences in the engine are the pistons are slightly smaller to give more clearance due to higher temperatures and a lower compression ratio

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Duner Wi

01-23-2006 05:55:05




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 Re: Replacement starter for a TO20 in reply to Pieter(RSA), 01-23-2006 02:24:52  
Thank you much for the additional information.



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