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te-20 shim adjustment problem

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dfitch

01-11-2006 17:01:46




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Just finished replacing outer seals and sure seals on a te-20. Trying to shim and have a problem. Started with same configuration as it was before replacement and axles turn in correct opposite direction. Have removed all shims and gaskets but axles still turn opposite directions.
Cannot get it to the point where one turns and the other does not.

Transmission is in neutral.

I can hold one axle and rotate the other but not
if shims are installed, axles appear locked together.

I heated the bearings and they fell completely into place on the axle. They are fully seated.
Space between the hud and axle flange appears to be the same as it was before disassembly.

I really don't want to remove ( destroy ) the sure seals to recheck bearing and am wondering as long as one axle can be held while the other rotates if I will be ok.

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Jim in OH

01-12-2006 09:11:42




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 Re: te-20 shim adjustment problem (Long) in reply to dfitch, 01-11-2006 17:01:46  
As gerard says, it is not made clear enough yet to give you a direct answer... but another thing to check is to make sure the PTO is not engaged... and I would like to explain what the point of all this is... (since it is not explained very well in anything I have read) If you already know this, then ignore..

The whole point is to adjust end play of axles so that they just firmly touch each other at the center of the differential thereby applying some axial preload to the wheel bearling. If the bearings are too loose, they do not seat properly in the cups and there will be side (axial) motion (sounds like "clunks" when turning, or with side to side forces like when dropping into a furrow) and if they are too tight, there is excessive axial load on the bearings and you might gall the ends of the axles which have relative motion when turning or spinning one wheel.

This method provided by Ferguson, is a little bit ambiguous since it is not directly measuring the end play (or axial preload), but relating the preload to the observed amount of friction in the bearings of the transmission relative to the friction between the ends of the axles.

When you try to turn one axle, and you see that the other one rotates in the opposite direction, nothing is rotating in the transmission. If you are rotating one axle that is pushing against the other axle just firm enough to create end friction sufficient to rotate it in the SAME direction as you are turning it, the transmission IS rotating and HF says that this is the ideal setting... Now you can see why neutral and no PTO are important. If not in neutral, you will never get there because you couldn't shove the axles together tight enough to make the axle end friction great enough to turn over the transmission AND ENGINE without breaking something (probably the axle housing). Likewise, if the PTO is engaged, you are trying to turn the PTO and hydraulic pump WITH the transmission and you will be again be making the axles too tight together...

I am sure this doesn't answer your question, but maybe it helps... JIm

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John (UK)

01-12-2006 08:37:04




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 Re: te-20 shim adjustment problem in reply to dfitch, 01-11-2006 17:01:46  
I am confused like Gerard here, I think you have got confused when you were writing it down,You say you removed all the shims and gaskets and they still turn in opposite directions, well you want them to do that. Then you go on to say if you fit the shims the axles lock together, I can't see how that can happen as you are moving them further apart when you add the shims. I wouldn't worry about the bearings as long as they turn ok and you are certain that when you dropped them in place you knocked them down fully into position and then fitted the collars.You should not have heated the bearings though, unless you mean you dropped them into hot oil to expand them slightly, but they still needed tapping into position before you fit the collar. If the axle-shaft bearings were not fully home in the correct position there would be too much space between the ends of the shafts in the diff. it wouldn't cause how you describe it.It is possible to have the two axle-shafts in the correct position without shims if one of the buttons in the splined end has come out. It will be interesting to hear what you find on this.

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gerard

01-12-2006 02:16:09




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 Re: te-20 shim adjustment problem in reply to dfitch, 01-11-2006 17:01:46  
You"ve got me confused. You say with or without shims axles turn in opposite directions. You then say axles appear locked if shims are fitted. "Fraid it makes no sense to me at all.



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