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T030 hydraulics

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cottonpicnokie

10-13-2005 20:36:17




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Traded 1947 8N for more HP and got this T030. In the process of adjusting to the differences. Tried doing some mowing the other day and on it's own the tractor kept lifting the mower off the ground! The lever moved very little if at all. Actually, it was in the lower third of the quadrant most of the time. Very impressed with it's lifting capabilities, but as you might well imagine I didn't get alot of mowing accomplished. Really peppy tractor, esp in 4th ( only had 3 on the Ford). Think there's some gunk inside causing the trouble? or, is there some adjustment I can make to remedy this? Pretty hard on the mower when it lifts so much the shaft on the mower is against the deck. Thanks

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John (UK)

10-17-2005 09:32:05




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 Re: T030 hydraulics in reply to cottonpicnokie, 10-13-2005 20:36:17  
I have attached the information given by Marlowe a regular contributor to this site who knows what he is talking about regarding this particular problem you have, read below:-
In Reply to: position control...chains?? posted by mr chapp on June 23, 2004 at 06:16:49:

dear mister chapp. i have sold and serviced hogs for years and see this all the time. PLEASE don't take this wrong but it's a real common mistake that they are not beening mounted right.i know what your thinking how hard is it to put a hog on a tractor and go cut some grass? but!! your hog has a tail wheel right? your tractor has 2 lower lift arms right? set your hog on a 4x4 so it is level lower your tail wheel so it's on the ground. now put your tractor on but[[[[ DON'T]]] hook up the PTO with tractor running put the 3pt. control lever in the middle of the range and turn your top link so it will get longer and you will feel you 3pt. raise just a little and the stop but when you make the top link long it will raise a little more that because the control piston under the set is being pushed in and that makes you 3pt. lift untill the pressure is releasted.with a little fine tuning and a little setting of the tail wheel up or down for the height of cut you want your hog will cut at the height you want. if you have ANY questions call me i will help you set it right 1-920-446-3296 your hog should not be hanging on the tractor when your cutting but rideing on the tail wheel and the 3pt. at a set height and that is controled by your top link. good luck and if you need help call

If you still have problems after doing what Marlowe says, then post again please and we will try to help.

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Leroy

10-14-2005 16:37:01




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 Re: T030 hydraulics in reply to cottonpicnokie, 10-13-2005 20:36:17  
Something is wrong in what you say you had, A 47 Ford is NOT an 8N but a 2N and has the 3 speed, The 8N started as a 48 model and it had the 4 speed and the Fords with the front mount distributator were rated at 23 HP while that Fergie is rated at 29HP



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cottonpicnokie

10-16-2005 14:12:52




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 Re: T030 hydraulics in reply to Leroy, 10-14-2005 16:37:01  
hey thanks for the tid-bit of info...look around on this website for 8N tractor s/n's, and you'll see a chart listing s/n' 1 -37907 being produced in 1947. Mine was s/n 5858. I thought the hp was somewhere around those figures.



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Cottonpicnokie

10-14-2005 14:55:51




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 Re: T030 hydraulics in reply to cottonpicnokie, 10-13-2005 20:36:17  
I have to say I"m impressed with the responses, am eager to attempt the remedies, and am glad I found this site. I will let y"all know how things go. Since this is all a learning curve for me, I expect I will be back. Thanks again!



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gshadel

10-14-2005 05:44:47




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 Re: T030 hydraulics in reply to cottonpicnokie, 10-13-2005 20:36:17  
Cotton,
You need to keep your quadrant all the way down to keep it from lifting your mower. Assuming your talking about a "bush hog" type mower with a rear wheel only, you need either chains to hold the front height on the mower, or better yet, you need to adjust the top link so your mower deck is at the desired level when the quadrant is forward and down. Do a search like the other guys said on adjusting bush hog height, hog height, etc. Lots of discussion in the past on that subject. Basically boils down to making sure your rear wheel is the height you want the mower to ride while cutting, then adjusting the top link(PTO running but drive shaft disconnected) so the mower deck is an inch or 2 lower in the front. As you crank on the top link making it longer, you will reach a point where the tractors draft control will start to raise the hitch arms in response to the pressure on the top link. That is what you want. If you quadrant lever is drifting up over time, it probably needs the big nut over the lever tightened a bit, or a new cork friction disk behind the lever so it stays put.

Welcome to the Fergy family.

George

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tennesseefarmer

10-14-2005 02:23:54




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 Re: T030 hydraulics in reply to cottonpicnokie, 10-13-2005 20:36:17  
The reason the mower was lifting up is because the TO30 doesn't have position control, it has what is called draft control. It is made this way for when you are pulling a plow and it hits an obstruction, it will raise the plow up out of harms way.
I thought the same thing when I first tried using a brush hog with mine. If you do a search there is a good article on how to set up your tractor and hog, I did it and haven't had any problems since.

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Jerry/MT

10-13-2005 21:10:04




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 Re: T030 hydraulics in reply to cottonpicnokie, 10-13-2005 20:36:17  
"...shaft on the mower is against the deck." That shouldn't be. Are you sure that your driven shaft isn't too long? When the mower is moved through the entire range of motion of the 3 pt hitch, the end of the telescoping outside driven shaft safety shield should never be less than 3 inches from the u-joint as a minimum. I'm not sure I understand the rest of your problem. It might be that your mower is too low and the load is causing the hydraulics to reduce the load by lifting the mower. That should happen.

marlowe has a way of adjusting the mower height that requires you set the front of the mower on a 4x4, put the control lever in the fwd part of the quadrant and adjust the top link til you see the mower move in response to the top link motion and just come off the 4x4. The hydraulics will now hold the mower at this position. For best cutting, the front of the mower should be about a half an inch lower than the rear.You may have to adjust the rear wheel for this.

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Paul (FLA)

10-14-2005 13:14:19




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 Shaft against the mower deck in reply to Jerry/MT, 10-13-2005 21:10:04  
I had the exact same problem. When I raised the mower all the way up, the shaft would bind against the front of the deck. This only would happen if I extended the top link, to take advantage of the draft control. I attributed the problem with my overrunning clutch. this clutch extends the PTO, thus moving the U Joint closer to the deck, thus causing less clearance for the deck and the shaft. I guess one solution would be to use an overrunning clutch that does not extend the PTO, OR shorten up the top link, and use limiter chains for height control.
Paul

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Gene in La.

10-15-2005 21:58:24




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 Re: Shaft against the mower deck in reply to Paul (FLA), 10-14-2005 13:14:19  
Paul: I have the same problem when the hog is raised;(hitting the mower deck, I had to use an adapter for the pto shaft size to hog) I'll check the top lenght; could you explain the limiter chains for the low setting, because I look back and the hog will be cutting too low and I find myself adjusting up and down across the field, so you should see how the field looks!!! Thanks Gene in La.



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