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Should I buy a Ferguson?

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GreenacresLou

10-12-2005 09:27:27




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Hi I need some advice. I recently bought an old small farm and need to restore about 2 acres of overgrown hayfield. I know very little about tractors and just started looking for one. I found a TA20 for sale owned by a tractor mechanic. Asking $2800,new tires,new paint, 12volt system,overall in great shape. I need a machine that will brushog the field,mow,light tilling,and maybe add a front loader to move manure from 2 horses to the compost pile. The dealers I've been to and even the mechanic are discouraging me from buying the Ferguson and suggesting I look for something a little newer. Will this machine work and safely? The size and price range suits me and I love the Ferguson story. Thanks for any help!

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landon

10-13-2005 09:56:16




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 Re: Should I buy a Ferguson? in reply to GreenacresLou, 10-12-2005 09:27:27  
I agree with everything that has been mentioned. I have 2 T0-35's. One with P.S. and one W/O. I mow about 12 acres. No livestock to care for, and also have a TC-35 New Holland with loader and backhoe. Very nice tractor, but I still love my Fergies. I have our original 1955 that my Dad bought new and a 1959 Deluxe that I bought in May. The best part is , I can work on the 35's ( if they need it ) but very limited for the New Holland. I'd have to suggest the Allis-Chalmer for overall investment. Wish I had one . Landon

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John (MO)

10-13-2005 05:59:07




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 Re: Should I buy a Ferguson? in reply to GreenacresLou, 10-12-2005 09:27:27  
Bobin had a good suggestion, if keeping your investment small is a consern and if there is much AC equipment in your area. The Allis WD and WD45 tractors sell in my area starting around $700 in usable condition. They can easily be converted to use both snap coupler and 3 point equipment. They have independent PTO and hydraulics through their hand cluch. Trip bucket loaders usually run around $300 and snap coupler plows less than $100. The newer MF's like the 135 are sure nice tractors, but you tie up a lot more money in them.

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GreenacresLou

10-12-2005 20:11:52




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 Re: Should I buy a Ferguson? in reply to GreenacresLou, 10-12-2005 09:27:27  
Thanks for all your help! I"m in no hurry to buy, a bit anxious maybe, but I"ll probably wait til spring for the tractor. The other problem I"m having is seeing great deals on equipment online but not much in the northeast (Massachusetts) AAGGHH!! what a tease!..and shipping or transporting seems to cost more than the machine! Thanks again...this forum is awesome...my girlfriend"s a "tractor widow" already and I"m just reading about "em!!

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wayne2

10-12-2005 21:48:05




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 Re: Should I buy a Ferguson? in reply to GreenacresLou, 10-12-2005 20:11:52  
Keep eye peeled for machines parked behind-beside-in barns-sheds-leanto's. they are around . Take a weekend and head for agr. countryDoubt if you will find one at M.I.T. Took me 6 years to find (my grandma)mine 300 case round nose-ugly-dented, but ran good tires For 300.00 was in work cloths(dirty)dealer said he'd deliver for80.00$ I said a days work he dropped it to 50. Found his trailer lights up drive way, and it was smooth. who knew. Luck Wayne

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Chuck (CA)

10-12-2005 19:11:42




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 Re: Should I buy a Ferguson? in reply to GreenacresLou, 10-12-2005 09:27:27  
If you want to do light tilling, you will be better off with a disc than an actual tiller. Unless the Fergie has a low range on the transmission, it will probably go too fast with a PTO driven tiller; it will want to mostly "skip" across the surface instead of digging in.



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Ron in Mo

10-12-2005 17:26:23




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 Re: Should I buy a Ferguson? in reply to GreenacresLou, 10-12-2005 09:27:27  
I think the TO-20 is a nice tractor for stuff like brushhogging or mowing. I use mine to pull around a 6' finish mower. I have a boom to lift stuff, a 2 bottom plow for the spring garden and a 10" post hole auger. Thats really about all I want to use my TO-20 for. I would not put a loader on it. I think its just a little too light for that kind of use. I would recommend a bigger class tractor with more horsepower and live pto/hydraulics for what you describe. I paid $3500 for my tractor which included a brand new 6' finish mower, a brand new 5' brushhog and a brand new post hole auger.. delivered to my farm. Now, you could just pay someone to do all the heavy work since it is a one time thing and get yourself a TO-20 or TO-30 with a few attachments to keep the place neat and trim. Fergies are VERY cool tractors to cruise around the farm on.

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wayne2

10-12-2005 17:11:23




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 Re: Should I buy a Ferguson? in reply to GreenacresLou, 10-12-2005 09:27:27  
Winter is coming on watch papers. I have had 3 Ferg. They were fine. but jumped to one w/power sreering(wifes horsey _urds). She used a wheel barrow and 10 tine(labor of love?) Luck Wayne



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Rod in Smiths Falls, ON,

10-12-2005 17:07:29




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 Re: Should I buy a Ferguson? in reply to GreenacresLou, 10-12-2005 09:27:27  
The short answer: no, not unless your idea of pulling involves tooling down country roads with a trailer behind. If that is your application, then a Fergie is ideal, for its steering, handling and shifting are superb. It turns very well in a confined area such as a garden, so add tilling small areas to things it can do pretty well.

I have a Ferguson TEA20 I inherited, and I bought a 1961 MF 35 Deluxe with a Perkins diesel because it does well what the Fergie does badly or dangerously. The Fergie moves very fast for a tractor. The 35 has a selection of low gears and live pto which makes bush hogging in unfamiliar territory or long grass much less terrifying than with the TEA20. The flywheel effect of the bush hog on a Fergie means that when you press the clutch, the wheels keep turning until the blade stops. This is downright dangerous. There is a ratchetting mechanism to add on, but what newbie knows about such things?

The 35 has ample power for a 5' snowblower and a 5' bush hog. The hydraulic lift works well. With the diesel engine it uses much less fuel than the Fergie's aging power plant.

But what I like best about the 35 and least about the Fergie is the effort it takes to get each machine going. The 35's Perkins diesel starts at the first touch of the starter, regardless of the weather, with a plug-in only in very cold weather. Fergies are notorious for fuel leaks and often have to have the fuel shut off between uses. I also disconnect one battery strap to prevent other leaks. More annoyance in starting up for a short hop.

As for price, if I were you I'd try hard to get a 35 Deluxe (live p.t.o.) for the $2800 asked for the Ferguson.

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Ron in Mo

10-12-2005 16:58:43




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 Re: Should I buy a Ferguson? in reply to GreenacresLou, 10-12-2005 09:27:27  
I think the TO-20 is a nice tractor for stuff like brushhogging or mowing. I use mine to pull around a 6' finish mower. I have a boom to lift stuff, a 2 bottom plow for the spring garden and a 10" post hole auger. Thats really about all I want to use my TO-20 for. I would not put a loader on it. I think its just a little too light for that kind of use. I would recommend a bigger class tractor with more horsepower and live pto/hydraulics for what you describe. I paid $3500 for my tractor which included a brand new 6' finish mower, a brand new 5' brushhog and a brand new post hole auger.. delivered to my farm. Now, you could just pay someone to do all the heavy work since it is a one time thing and get yourself a TO-20 or TO-30 with a few attachments to keep the place neat and trim. Fergies are VERY cool tractors to cruise around the farm on.

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Jeff-oh

10-12-2005 14:25:31




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 Re: Should I buy a Ferguson? in reply to GreenacresLou, 10-12-2005 09:27:27  
Lou,

The Ferguson is a great tractor for what you want to do. The next question is what model. I agree that $2800 is high for a TEA-20. But for Less than $4000 you can move into a whole class of good Fergusons (F) and Massey Fergusons (MF).

I would suggest looking for one of these:
F-35, MF-35, MF-135, A MF-50, MF-65

I like the Utility set-up (wide front= more stable) for what you want over the row crop (tri-cycle) like the Allis-Chamber WD's

Another reason I like the Fergies is that the 3-point is the standard today.

If you have time to look and do not need to buy right now, then go for one with "Live" hydraulics. That is the lift works independant of the driveshaft. Sometimes you'll hear it called a two stage clutch.

Mind you that TEA-20 is a good tractor and will do all that you are asking of it, it is just if you have time to make a choise, then looking a little more will yield a few extras for little or no more money.

ALso what is nice about these late 40's to 1060's tractors is that they are simple to work on and fix if you do have trouble. They were built to last and last.

Good luck let us know.
Jeff

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gerard

10-12-2005 14:22:37




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 Re: Should I buy a Ferguson? in reply to GreenacresLou, 10-12-2005 09:27:27  
Lovely little tractor, but no live hydraulics / pto. But where do you stop? Perhaps a little more power? Able to lift more weight? Before you know where you are you"re looking at a 100bhp five ton tractor with gps!
We"ve owned our TE20 since new in "48 (hard farmwork - ploughing, rotovating, for"d loader etc). I remember using the banana loader around 1960. If you"re not in a hurry and haven"t 100tons to shift, it"s not a problem - it"s a knack. Drive in, pause for half a second ("double de-clutch") between for"d and reverse enables the bucket to rise just above the ground - then you reverse & go for"d again whilst lifting. By the time you get to where you"re going, loader is high enough to dump. No problem. Similarly, live pto is nice, but you can work around that. My biggest gripe was neither of those, but having the left turning brake on same side as clutch pedal - made for some interesting moments when turning near a brook or hedge - do I continue and hope I"ll turn in time, or go for clutch ... can"t do both.
I reckon that tractor"s just what you need. After all, if in a year or so you find you"d rather have live pto, more power, etc - you could always change it - it"s not likely to devalue.

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Duner Wi

10-12-2005 19:35:11




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 Re: Should I buy a Ferguson? in reply to gerard, 10-12-2005 14:22:37  
On my TO 20 I steer with my right hand and use my left hand to pull up on the left brake pedal. Pulling up puts the brake on as well as pushing down with your foot . Possibly if you have sub standard brakes it won"t work as well . I can lock either wheel with ease on mine.



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gshadel

10-12-2005 13:29:18




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 Re: Should I buy a Ferguson? in reply to GreenacresLou, 10-12-2005 09:27:27  
Lou,
I have a '20, I have 20 acres and do all the same things you mention (except for the front loader), + a lot more. I bought an old Wagner loader to install, but also got a rear scoop. Once I started using the rear scoop, I sold the loader, the scoop works good on the 'ol manure handling. Live PTO would be nice, but not necessary, once you get used to not having it it's no big deal.
My only disappointment is my TO-20 can't lift and haul round bails.
That price sounds a little high maybe. You can get a newer machine with live PTO, but your going to spend a WHOLE LOT MORE than $2800. George

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BobinKY

10-12-2005 11:46:34




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 Re: Should I buy a Ferguson? in reply to GreenacresLou, 10-12-2005 09:27:27  
For what it is worth Lou, I have a Ferguson TO 35 which was the deluxe model for 1955. It is a nice tractor and has enough horsepower to do what I need it to do. The price on the tractor you are looking at seems a little high to me. My personal favorite in a gas burning tractor of old is the Allis Chalmers WD and WD45. The latter is a newer version with approximately 42 horsepower. I have found any number of impliments for the Allis and you can convert the two point coupler hitch to three point so that you can use any impliment you wish. Parts are easy to come by and the tractor is a treat to work on. I have seen a lot of WD45 tractors selling on this forum in the $1500 TO $2000 range and the fellas have gone through them. Just my two cents worth.

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Jim in OH

10-12-2005 10:54:20




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 Re: Should I buy a Ferguson? Yes and No.. in reply to GreenacresLou, 10-12-2005 09:27:27  
Trivial answer for sure and anytime one gives advice for nothing, that is what it is worth, but here is my take on this... (I have TO-30, about the same as a TO-20, only a few more ponies).

If I were working even a small plot (hay, horses, etc.) that uses the PTO implements (I am not)and were looking for a tractor, I would want a "live" PTO and "live" hydraulic lift. That leaves out the TO-20 and TO-30. YOu can do it without the "live" feature but it is a real pain, particularly with the loader. In fact, many early Fergusons with a loader added a front mounted hydraulic pump off of the engine. And power steering with the loader would be nice, too. If you like the Fergusons, the first one to have this live PTO/hydraulics(with a two stage clutch) feature was the TO-35. That is what I'd look for.. Just my 2 cents.. Jim (and a Ferguson fan.)

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steveormary

10-12-2005 09:55:51




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 Re: Should I buy a Ferguson? in reply to GreenacresLou, 10-12-2005 09:27:27  
We had Fergusons on the farm from 1948 untill We retired in 2002. They should do about anything you want them to do. They do not have live hydraulics or pto. When you disengage the clutch the pto and the hydraulic pump stops. You might look around for a newer tractor with the live pto and hydraulics.

steveormary



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