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Missfire problem

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Dennis P in Ohi

10-08-2005 09:09:53




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My TE 20 is misfiring.....
I know there"s probably not one simple answer, but where should I start the diagnosis?
Thanks.




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TEA20_aussie

10-09-2005 19:46:05




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 Re: Missfire problem in reply to Dennis P in Ohio, 10-08-2005 09:09:53  
Hi .. just a comment from a downunder, shade tree mechanic with a '48 TEA20. Mine misfires sometimes from start after sitting for a while (hates non use). I usually end up cleaning #1 plug as it always seem to foul the most. Quick clean and firing on all 4 again. Have tried to drive it until it fires and self cleans, but it beats me every time. I now keep a clean spare on hand for a quick change. My AU$00.02 worth (about US$00.015 worth) :-)

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Jerry/MT

10-08-2005 11:30:42




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 Re: Missfire problem in reply to Dennis P in Ohio, 10-08-2005 09:09:53  
John T has given you some good advice. I would add that you should also check the mechanical condition of your distributor because shaft/bushing wear can get bad enough to cause the problem no matter how good the rest of the system is. A lot of these distributors are the original manufacturer supplied device and after 50 years of little or no maintenance are plum wore out. Push on the shaft radially when the points are closed and look for motion at the points while you are pushing. You shouldn't see any opening of the points. If you do, then take it to an auto electric place for a rebuild. the other thing to check for is to see if the advance mechanism is working. This is best done with a timing light and a tach. As the engine is accelerated, the timing should advance per the advance schedule in your shop manual. It should advance smoothly. If it doesn't take the distributor apart and make sure that the advance mechanism isn't jammed up with crud and rust etc. hope this helps.

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Dennis Patterson

10-09-2005 05:48:42




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 Re: Missfire problem in reply to Jerry/MT, 10-08-2005 11:30:42  
Thanks to you all. I have plenty of ways to proceed and will advise what I found so others may learn.
One thing I didn't see mentioned was the possibility that there is a valve sticking. If there is, how do you free it (or them) up?



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Jerry/MT

10-09-2005 12:54:43




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 Re: Missfire problem in reply to Dennis Patterson, 10-09-2005 05:48:42  
What makes you think thee is a valve sticking, Dennis? If it is in fact sticking thee are several potential solutions. The first and easiest is to put some Marvel Mystery Oil (MMO)in the engine oil and in the fuelper the innstructions on the can. The second, if the first doesn't work, is to get to the offending valve stem and spray a non it (like brake cleaner). Then run MMO per the directions on the can for awhile. I had a neighbor that cured the problem on an L head 8N with a pint of auto transmission fluid in a full tank of gas.

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Rod in Smiths Falls, ON,

10-09-2005 06:46:52




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 Re: Missfire problem in reply to Dennis Patterson, 10-09-2005 05:48:42  
I'm no expert, but when my Fergie misfires from sticking valves there is a pronounced blowback at the air intake. The missing disappears once the engine is fully warmed up.

Whenever I run out of things to do I'll take the head off and try to lap the valves, as is recommended in a service manual: Tractor Service Instruction Book from Harry Ferguson Ltd, Coventry England for TEA-A20, TE-C20, TE-D20 and TE-E20.

"The engine should be decarbonised after the first 300 hours running and thereafter every 1,200 -- 1,500 hours, or yearly. (p. 26)"

Of the four manuals I have for the tractor this is the only one that's any good. I bought it as a reprint from a vendor on Ebay.

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John T

10-08-2005 16:37:41




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 Re: Missfire problem in reply to Jerry/MT, 10-08-2005 11:30:42  
Jerry, good point, I have also seen that on older tractors. If theres excess distributor shaft wobble, the point gap is all over the place,,,,, the rotor tip is floating around,,,,, ,,,and as you pointed out, the timing gets erratic.

It may help him if he opened the point gap, but do you think a timing light would tell the story if it showed timing jumping all over the place and it changed with RPM????? ?? Makes sense to me

John T

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Jerry/MT

10-12-2005 18:58:12




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 Re: Missfire problem in reply to John T, 10-08-2005 16:37:41  
I'm not sure the timing gets real bad, John. I think the dwell is to short and you get a weak spark. At least thats what happened when my distributor finally crapped out. I had a weak orangey spark.



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John T

10-08-2005 09:44:19




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 Re: Missfire problem in reply to Dennis P in Ohio, 10-08-2005 09:09:53  
Dennis, Im NOT a Ferguson experienced guy, but I would in this order suspect:

1) See if its only one cylinder thats misfiring. To do that use those insulated plug wire pliers to remove 1 plug wire at a time to see if it makes any difference in how she runs AS IT SHOULD, but if it makes no difference on or off, that cylinder isnt firing, so check its spark plug and plug wire and its compression.

2) Spark Plugs (try a fresh set if they appear
fouled or all blackened or oil residue). You may be able to use an insulated plug wire pliers tool to hold the wire end away from the plug terminal about 1/8 inch or so when shes running to see if that cylinder starts firing with the wire slightly removed. If so, replace that plug shes fouled. 3) Ignition Points, Replace if badly burned or pitted or carboned up and check the gap. Its possible to use a points file to dress them which may get her firing better temporarily, but once the shiny silver coating is gone they dont last long. Maybe clean/buff/polish them not too abrasively if only gray oxide coated. 4) Plug Wires, Insure they are not all cracked n worn or are allowing any spark to escape to the frame or head etc. In the night any lil arcings would show up better.

5) Distributor cap n rotor assembly, Insure no cracks or moisture or carbon traces and dry it with a hair dryer if shes wet inside.

6) Fuel, Insure she has fresh clean water freee gas and theres good gas flow through any sediment bowls or filters to the carb. if it has an oil bath air cleaner with an oil bath bowl at bottom, insure its not full of water.

John T

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