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Yseesee

10-04-2005 08:30:37




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I went to my first �Old Time Tractor Pull� this past weekend in Union, Missouri. I didn�t see one Ferguson out of all the tractors that participated. I was a little disappointed to say the least. I didn�t even see any Ford 9N/2N/8N�s at the tractor pull. There were a lot of John Deere, Farmall, and Oliver�s pulling. Does anyone know if these types of tractors don�t do well in this sort of competition? It looked like a lot of fun and I was thinking about giving it a try sometime with my TO30 but wanted to see if anyone else had any experience using the Ferguson in a pulling competition.

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mlm

10-05-2005 06:33:26




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 Re: Old Time Tractor Pull in reply to Yseesee, 10-04-2005 08:30:37  
The only 8n I have seen do well had a v8 conversion.
Had a special hitch setup so the front tires just bumped the ground during the pull. This was a just for fun pull.



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Boss Hog

10-05-2005 05:11:44




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 Re: Old Time Tractor Pull in reply to Yseesee, 10-04-2005 08:30:37  
I entered my MF35 in an antique tractor pull once, and got 2nd place.

I think it depends on how serious the other pullers are. Some pulls are more "just for fun", and restrict things like cut tires and engine RPMs.

Others are pretty serious competitions, and guys spend a lot of time and money on their tractors.

I guess it would only be fair to tell you in the pull where I took 2nd place, there were only 2 tractors in the 3,500# weight class. (-:

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Jim in OH

10-04-2005 11:21:23




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 Re: Old Time Tractor Pull in reply to Yseesee, 10-04-2005 08:30:37  
In most contest situations, Fords and Fergusons are a little underpowered for their weight and don't offer much room for significant improvement (room for bigger bores and longer strokes). [The later Ford 900 series is an exception.] Most (more or less) stock classes allow pulling with speed limits typically 2.5 to 3.5 MPH. The fergie is geared for the speed (in 1st), but you will run out of power. As a minimum, you need your HP=MPH*weight/300 ("The Jim Rule").... and more is better. However, if you have a reduction transmission (like a Sherman or a Hupp, and the rules allow it to pull), you still can pull a slower gear(<2 MPH) and make up for the lesser power, but still won't have the inertia at the end of the pull for that extra foot or two that the faster more powerful tractor will have. Other problems have to do with the rules that don't favor Fords and Fergusons (or other short tractors). Short tractors are typically light in the front during a pull so adding weight out front is a must but many "stock-like" classes only allow weight on the front wheels or sometimes 2 feet in front of the tractor. This is usually not far enough. It cannot be "balanced" very well in the lighter classes (less than 3000lbs where it has the horsepower) without hanging weight far out front. In the heavier classes (>3500), it can be balanced, but runs out of power (remember "The Jim rule", HP>MPH*WT/300). Another issue is the hitch. The only Ferguson "stock" hitch was about two feet long. That is much too long to effectively transfer sled load to the tractor without lifting the front (and therefore lowering the hitch-bad!) so an after-market hitch or a custom hitch is required. This typically moves you up a class or two where you again find that don't have the power (and speed) to compete. And there are other issues.... like strength of castings, gears, axels, etc. that are marginal for this extreme sport.

Fords and Fergusons (with the Sherman or Hupp), where you can pull with a fixed short (18") hitch and allow you to stick the weight out front far enough to "balance", can be fun and can pull just as "hard" but not as fast as the competition. But, remember that to be competitive, you really should pull as fast as the rules allow. Anything slower and you might be giving up an extra foot or two.

Anyway, this is my conclusion as I continue to prepare my TO-30 for some Div I/II/III pulling in the future in and around OH and IN.. See you there... Jim

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gshadel

10-05-2005 08:51:37




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 Re: Old Time Tractor Pull in reply to Jim in OH, 10-04-2005 11:21:23  
Great post Jim !
I'll have to remember that HP formula.
thanks

george



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Jim in OH

10-05-2005 10:32:57




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 Re: Old Time Tractor Pull in reply to gshadel, 10-05-2005 08:51:37  
Thanks.. and if you just assume a nominal speed of 3 MPH (which is nominally the maximum speed of most "stock" pulls), it obviously gets even simplier..

Minimum HP=WT/100



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Yseesee

10-04-2005 11:35:17




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 Re: Old Time Tractor Pull in reply to Jim in OH, 10-04-2005 11:21:23  
Wow, thanks for all the information Jim. I had no idea there was so much to consider when pulling a sled. I guess I'll have to re-think my "tractor pulling" idea. I thought you just hooked up and pulled! Like I said in my post this was my first tractor pull and I see no I have a lot to learn. This was no major event it was just a local pull put on by the FFA. They were just pulling for trophies and it was only $8.00 to enter. It just looked like a lot of fun even if you don�t win anything!! I figured there must be a reason for the lack of Ferguson and Fords at the competition. Now I have a better understanding as to why!

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