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chris sweetland

07-12-2005 19:55:14




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i got my rebuilt generator today put it on an started it and still no charge will i think i need a new regulator how do i garentee this is what i need also there is more terminals on the regulator then wires on the tractor which ones should i use? 6v system to-20




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danct

07-13-2005 10:37:40




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 Re: charging in reply to chris sweetland, 07-12-2005 19:55:14  
chris
to start you off with your wiring ,from F of the Generator run a wire to F of the regulator ,from A of the Generator wire to G on the regulator.Now from B of the regulator run wire to hot side of starting motor switch,from L of the regulator run wire to IN portion of Key switch from OUT of key switch run a wire to the Coil
Make sure you have the regulator grounded make sure the Pos side of the Battery is connected to a good ground do polarize the generator like others said and get back to us ,if i made any errors the rest of you guys please help us out here I left out the dash light and that is bridged off of the wire going from A to G and goes to the side of the ignition switch that goes to the coil
Take one wire at a time and let us know ,Good luck
Danny

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danct

07-13-2005 10:34:23




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 Re: charging in reply to chris sweetland, 07-12-2005 19:55:14  
chris
to start you off with your wiring ,from F of the Generator run a wire to F of the regulator ,from A of the Generator wire to G on the regulator.Now fro B of the regulator run wire to hot side of starting motor switch,from L of the regulator run wire to in portion of Key switch from out of key switch run a wire to the Coil
Make sure you have the regulator grounded make sure the Pos side of the Battery is connected to a good ground do polarize the generator like others said and get back to us ,if i made any errors the rest of you guys please help us out here I left out the dash light and that is bridged off of the wire going from A to G and goes to the side of the ignition switch that goes to the coil
Take one wire at a time and let us know

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gshadel

07-13-2005 07:51:22




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 Re: charging in reply to chris sweetland, 07-12-2005 19:55:14  
Chris

Every terminal on your VR should have a connection. If it doesn't, you either have the wrong VR, or your missing some wiring on your tractor. The manual has a wiring diagram. If you don't have a manual, get one, 90% of all charging issues can be worked-thru using the manual. It's a pretty simple system once you see how it is suppose to be layed-out.

The VR regulates generator output by varying the F (field) resistance to ground coming off your generator. Your VR is gounded by one of it's mounting bolts. As with all 6V systems, need good clean connections for good service. Find the metal grounding tab on your VR mount, make sure you have a clean contact to the tractor frame. Your actual ground circuit has to work it's way all the way back up to the dash bolt where your batt. cable is connected. I found my charging was more reliable and robust when I ran a dedicated wire from the VR ground lug right to the dash mount bolt. That shouldn't be necessary... but it is cheap insurance to insure a good ground.

By all means polarize your generator first before doing anything else. I don't recall the specific sequence for polarizing off the top of my head, search the archives.

You can force your generator to full output, for testing purposes, by jumping the "F" terminal on the generator to a good ground. Don't disconnect anything else, just clamp a wire to the F term. and a ground. Run the engine ~1/2 throttle or better, look at your dash amp meter, it should ramp-up over 10A for sure. I think the generator is rated for ~14A, but have heard guys say they get 20A. After you polarize your generator, test the output the way I described. If your output is OK, look at your V.Regulator and associated wiring is correct and clean. AMP meters go bad, if possible use a multimeter to verify ~7 volts across the battery while running, and double check your amps, that will help you ID your problem. Don't know how many times I've heard about "rebuilt" generators that didn't work, "new" V.R.'s that didn't work, amp meters that didn't work, 12V batteries on a 6V system, batteries hooked-up backwards (should be positive to ground)... etc. Take nothing for granted, test it all to be sure.

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Jim(TX)

07-12-2005 20:22:04




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 Re: charging in reply to chris sweetland, 07-12-2005 19:55:14  
If you go to the archives and research generator there are a lot of good tips for this, like polarizing. I just read them myself. I did them all and mine's still not charging.
Jim



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chris sweetland

07-13-2005 10:09:55




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 Re: charging in reply to Jim(TX), 07-12-2005 20:22:04  
the guy who rebuilt the generator said that polirizing was not nesacary



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phil(va)

07-13-2005 15:10:54




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 Re: charging in reply to chris sweetland, 07-13-2005 10:09:55  
Often I have been able to solve charging problems by following the excellent advice of those on this forum and in the manual(s). But sometimes I have just gotten stymied and in those cases I have had excellent results by taking BOTH the generator and VR to a good automotive/tractor electrical shop and having them check out the combination of the two. In all cases I've had good results once the shop finishes. It's more expensive than doing it yourself, and maybe less satisfying, but if time is an issue, and if other options aren't working, it might be the way to go.

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