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pointers on Position control use

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Rob in VA

06-17-2005 07:52:50




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Hi Everyone;

I've needed a pos control for my '54 TO30 for some time. I use the fergie a lot for bushhogging or finish mowing and it was devilishly aggravating having to ride with one hand on the transit all the time.

I've read the posts and seen the options for fabricating your own position control. I know it's a simple device, but like many people I have about a 200 hour backlog of day-job work as well as home chores at all times. And occassionally my wife and son like to see me! So in this instance I decided to forego the DIY route and I purchased a Zane Thang.

Shipping was quick, it arrived in 2 days. Service and communication was good. The instructions and photos were good but not perfect. Installation was easy.

I've used it to cut about 12 acres with a Wallburg 5 foot brush cutter. It worked great for about 5 passes, then I noticed a little more drift up. so I adjusted the device itself and the nut on the friction disc of the transit. it took a little while to get in the zone but I feel comfortable with it now. it's great for setting your bottom height, meaning it will save you from burrying the blades in the ground or having the edges of the bushhog gouge the ground. Once it raises a little high though it doesn't automatically return to the optimum position, so I've been bringing that back into place by hand.

I feel the pos control has helped me a lot. I'd estimate it saves about 65 - 70% of the hand adjusting I used to do before installing the pos control.

I am hoping that some of you in the forum with more experience with these devices can tell me what I'm doing wrong, or offer some tips to fine tune this device a little more.

also, at this early stage of my experince I almost feel like there should be a second "stop" on the pos control to regulate the upwards rise too. That way you could set the lowest and highest settings for your implement, or would that be bad?

Rob

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marlowe

06-17-2005 17:17:39




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 Re: pointers on Position control use in reply to Rob in VA, 06-17-2005 07:52:50  
p.s. you don't need chains eather



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marlowe

06-17-2005 17:15:58




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 Re: pointers on Position control use in reply to Rob in VA, 06-17-2005 07:52:50  
if you give me a call i'll tell you how to set your bushog and it will NOT drift up and it will NOT cost a dime. i have helped many with the same problem you DON'T need that position control thing [[[IF]]] you have things set right. most don't under stand the ferguson 3 point system. i have 5 to-20s and not one has this on and all work just fine 920-446-3296 do what you want but it's only a phone call

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gshadel

06-17-2005 13:02:55




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 Re: pointers on Position control use in reply to Rob in VA, 06-17-2005 07:52:50  
Rob
I have a Zane Thangs on my TO-20. I don't recall having any trouble with drift up, the very nature of the Thang should push the lift control lever down to unload the hydraulics if the lift raises. Possibly your upper link on the 3 point needs adjusted???

I never use my position controller to hold my brush hog at cutting height. Perhaps the best advise I could recommend is that you change your set-up so you just push the lift control lever all the way forward and down, and the hog is set to cutting height by either stay chains (~$30), or by adjustment of the linkages and the rear wheel on the hog.
Do a search on this site for bush hog adjustments. Marlowe and others have made many posts on the correct way to set-up your bush hog to take advantage of the draft control of your Fergie to maintain the right cutting height. Basically set-up your hog to the desired height by using the rear hog wheel and adjusting the top link with the lift lever pushed forward and down. Adjust the top link with the hydraulics engaged, but the PTO disconnected. You will see the lift raise and lower the hog deck when the draft control kicks-in. Set the height by adjusting the top link, hook-up your PTO, and your off. The lift will maintain the correct height with the control lever in the down position. Sorry for the long email, maybe some of the other guys can better explain the set-up of the hog also.
I find the Zane Thang is a life saver when using a scraper blade and a rear scoop. Good luck!

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Jeff-oh

06-17-2005 11:29:48




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 Loader brackets... in reply to Rob in VA, 06-17-2005 07:52:50  
Rob,

I just saw this item on e-bay... I think they are the correct brackets for that loader.

The auction ends on Saturday June 18



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John(UK)

06-17-2005 12:59:42




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 Re: Loader brackets... in reply to Jeff-oh, 06-17-2005 11:29:48  
Those brackets fit to the front axle of a TE or TO series tractor with an LUO or LUE loader.



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Jeff-oh

06-17-2005 11:32:42




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 Re: Loader brackets... in reply to Jeff-oh, 06-17-2005 11:29:48  
and here are the rear brackets.



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John(UK)

06-17-2005 13:03:59




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 Re: Loader brackets... in reply to Jeff-oh, 06-17-2005 11:32:42  
These are just Stabiliser or sway bar brackets but have a locating pin built in for the Ferguson 735 loader among other things this loader is only for the TO35 or FE and MF 35/65 tractors mainly.



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Rob in VA

06-17-2005 12:58:01




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 Re: Loader brackets... in reply to Jeff-oh, 06-17-2005 11:32:42  
Hi Jeff. I don't know what I'm gonna do about the manure forks. It sounds like shipping would be prohibitive for those brackets, but they sure do look just like the ones in the loaders parts list. thanks for thinking of me.



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John(UK)

06-17-2005 10:57:23




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 Re: pointers on Position control use in reply to Rob in VA, 06-17-2005 07:52:50  
It would be a good idea it may save you from bending the PTO shaft. You can use the normal tractor hydraulics to control your mower without a position control too. It will automatically allow the mower to follow the ground contours this should overcome the problem you say you have, a position control will only set the hydraulics to a given height and stay there unless you move the Control Lever This was posted last year by Marlowe, a regular contributor to this site, as he sells them he knows what he is talking about, I am not familiar with your Wallburg mower, but maybe it is similar to the Bush-Hog that he talks about and you could possibly try this out anyway..... .....

Posted by marlowe on June 23, 2004 at 16:01:09 from (209.103.204.81):

In Reply to: position control...chains?? posted by mr chapp on June 23, 2004 at 06:16:49:

dear mister chapp. i have sold and serviced hogs for years and see this all the time. PLEASE don't take this wrong but it's a real common mistake that they are not beening mounted right.i know what your thinking how hard is it to put a hog on a tractor and go cut some grass? but!! your hog has a tail wheel right? your tractor has 2 lower lift arms right? set your hog on a 4x4 so it is level lower your tail wheel so it's on the ground. now put your tractor on but[[[[ DON'T]]] hook up the PTO with tractor running put the 3pt. control lever in the middle of the range and turn your top link so it will get longer and you will feel you 3pt. raise just a little and the stop but when you make the top link long it will raise a little more that because the control piston under the set is being pushed in and that makes you 3pt. lift untill the pressure is releasted.with a little fine tuning and a little setting of the tail wheel up or down for the height of cut you want your hog will cut at the height you want. if you have ANY questions call me i will help you set it right 1-920-446-3296 your hog should not be hanging on the tractor when your cutting but rideing on the tail wheel and the 3pt. at a set height and that is controled by your top link. good luck and if you need help call .....

I hope that the above article may help to resolve your problem. If you wish to discuss this further then please email me at:-
fergusontractors at tiscali dot co dot uk
anytime...John

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Rob in VA

06-17-2005 13:02:32




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 Re: pointers on Position control use in reply to John(UK), 06-17-2005 10:57:23  
Thanks John. I had vaguely remembered that particular posting but couldn't find it. I remembered the part about the 4x4 but not the top link adjustment. I'll try that this weekend when I go out and touch up the rough spots in the field with the brush cutter.



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John(UK)

06-17-2005 14:49:18




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 Re: pointers on Position control use in reply to Rob in VA, 06-17-2005 13:02:32  
Rob..Please let me know how you get on with that as I have never tried it and while I am sure it works I would like to know from someone else what they think about it...John



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Gene Stevens

06-21-2005 23:49:35




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 Re: pointers on Position control use in reply to John(UK), 06-17-2005 14:49:18  
Here ia what was posted several months ago by marlow.

Brush Hog Set-up

I have sold and serviced hogs for years and see this all the time. PLEASE don't take this wrong but it's a real common mistake that they are not being mounted right. I know what your thinking how hard is it to put a hog on a tractor and go cut some grass�but�your hog has a tail wheel right? Your tractor has 2 lower lift arms right? Set your hog on a 4x4 so it is level lower your tail wheel so it's on the ground. Now put your tractor on but �DON'T� hook up the PTO. With tractor running put the 3pt control lever in the middle of the range and turn your top link so it will get longer and you will feel your 3pt. raise just a little and the stop but when you make the top link long it will raise a little more that because the control piston under the set is being pushed in and that makes you 3pt. lift until the pressure is released. With a little fine tuning and a little setting of the tail wheel up or down for the height of cut you want your hog will cut at the height you want. If you have ANY questions call me I will help you set it right 1-920-446-3296 your hog should not be hanging on the tractor when you�re cutting but riding on the tail wheel and the 3pt. at a set height and that is controlled by your top link. Good luck and if you need help call

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Gene Stevens

06-17-2005 16:10:40




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 Re: pointers on Position control use in reply to John(UK), 06-17-2005 14:49:18  
I have tried this and it works very well. When I finish mowing I set the mower on a 4X4 for the next time. Gene



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