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Various TO-30 issues....

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wmt613

06-06-2005 12:21:36




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I have a 1951 TO-30 that I use primarily as a work tractor. I"ve owned it for about three years and have added a step-through trip-bucket loader and updated the paint and sheet metal. The farmer I bought it from said the engine had been rebuilt several years earlier (by a local JD dealership). Compression is good as is oil pressure. No oil in the radiator.

I have a couple of issues I"d like to address with the tractor:

1) The oil pressure guage fluctuates wildly. Sometimes it reads a steady 20+ lbs, other times nothing. Do you think this is likely the guage (and not the oil pump)? It happens with the tractor running at any RPM.

2) Two years ago I replaced the pressure relief valve on the hydraulic pump - a local tractor parts/repair shop told me this would clear up the problem with the pump not maintaining pressure after the PTO was disengaged. It didn"t work. Does the pump need to be rebulit?

3) I have one annoying oil leak where the transfer case meets the engine (just behind the oil pan). Is this an engine seal leak or possibly a leak in the transmission? I"m assuming to find out (or even to fix it) the tractor would need to be split.

4) The valves seem rather noisy. More clackity-clack than I hear with the Ford/8n/2n/9n. Is this normal or should the valves be adjusted? If so, is adjusting the valves a very difficult process? I"m aware it"s overhead valve configuration.

I"m no mechanic, but I"ve done all of the work on the tractor to this point and I"m not afraid to take things apart to fix something (that doesn"t require $20K in equipment, of course).

Any advice is greatly appreciated.

WMT

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Jerry/MT

06-06-2005 21:08:00




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 Re: Various TO-30 issues.... in reply to wmt613, 06-06-2005 12:21:36  
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The oil pressure gauge is a mechanical type so it's likely you may have a problem with the oil pump. These gauges either work or they don't work. Find out why your oil pressure is fluctuating pronto. Some times the pin on the drive gear can shear and sometimes the oil pickup tube has a crack in it or the seal has failed. Don't use it until you find the problem and fix it or you'll be looking at more expensive work.
2)The lift cylinder usually will leak down in about 15 minutes to 1 hour when the PTO (and thus the pump) are disconnected.
3)The rear main seal on the engine could be leaking or the tranny input shaft seal could be leaking. Can you tell whether it's engine oil or hydraulic oil that is dripping?
4) the valves are adjustable but you need to remove the fuel tank to get the valve cover off and the valves should be adjusted hot and running. It's not difficult.
I gather from your questions that you do not have a set of factory manuals. They are available and are invaluable to nderstand how the systems work and how to repair and maintain them. You really should get an Ferguson Owner's Manual, a Shop Manual and a Parts Manual. You won't regret it.

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John(UK)

06-11-2005 11:05:14




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 Re: Various TO-30 issues.... in reply to Jerry/MT, 06-06-2005 21:08:00  
any leak down on the hydraulics is not the pump it will be something else as the pump is isolated once the linkage has lifted and no pressure is held by the pump, it is held by the check valve on the end of the relief valve so any leaks will be on the lift cylinder or maybe a gasket, the relief valve could leak if its been blowing for a long period of time but you would normally hear it but as you have had a loader on it this could be the fault, when the loader reaches the top of its lifting cycle, you should move the control lever forward till it starts to drop then move it back till it just holds in that position, use the lever stop at this point so you can return the lever to this position each time without the need to look at it or feel it. BUT don't leave the hydraulic safety valve blowing off as it will reduce your lifting pressure, besides possibly doing damage.

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wmt613

06-07-2005 06:17:41




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 Re: Various TO-30 issues.... in reply to Jerry/MT, 06-06-2005 21:08:00  
Thanks for the advice, Jerry. I keep putting off getting the manuals and really digging into the thing since there"s always "one more thing" I have to do with the tractor before I can take it apart. Just found four blow-downs in the woods this morning after a walk. Yipee. I would like to have the tractor make it until the fall when I can have the winter to take it apart. Alas, I don"t think I should wait that long to get to work on it. I may just break down and have it professionally serviced rather than ruin it. It really is a work tractor for me, but I"ve done a lot of cosmetic work so it looks and runs rather well. I try to talk myself into a compact tractor, but I just can"t justify it. Plus, I grew up with an 8N and I just love the little Fergie.

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Jerry/MT

06-07-2005 17:41:46




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 Re: Various TO-30 issues.... in reply to wmt613, 06-07-2005 06:17:41  
All the other stuff can wait until winter but the oil pressure problem should be resolved right away. With the manuals, you sound like you are more than capable of doing it. That's the beauty of these old machines;they're easy to work on. Don't know what maechanics charge in your neck of the woods but around here it's $65+/hour at the car dealerships. Good luck!



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wmt613

06-08-2005 05:57:19




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 Re: Various TO-30 issues.... in reply to Jerry/MT, 06-07-2005 17:41:46  
Thanks, Jerry. I decided to pull the loader off for the rest of the summer so I can actually do some work on the tractor. The rate the local guy here charges is the same ($65/hour). If I were made of money, I would have to worry about it :)



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wmt613

06-07-2005 06:20:40




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 Re: Various TO-30 issues.... in reply to wmt613, 06-07-2005 06:17:41  
Oops, forgot. The oil leak is definitely transmission fluid.



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mowr

06-06-2005 15:21:49




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 Re: Various TO-30 issues.... in reply to wmt613, 06-06-2005 12:21:36  
My experience with repairing these is that (usually) by the time the rod bearings are worn out, so are the main bearings. But many "rebuilds" are done without replacing the main bearings and the increased power pounds the mains out very quickly, showing up in (fluctuating) low oil pressure. Sometimes, the front crank pulley can even be seen bouncing up and down with the engine running at low speeds.

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wmt613

06-07-2005 06:33:37




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 Re: Various TO-30 issues.... in reply to mowr, 06-06-2005 15:21:49  
I mounted a trip-bucket loader last year and when I attached the pump on the pulley crank, I didn't (and still don't) notice any movement.



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