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TO20 water in oil

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Shane1

05-22-2005 14:05:02




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I had a TO20 passed down to me a few years back,my father had it running and even though he had a new headgasket put on it kept getting water in the oil. I have run into the same problem and do not run it.

I heard that these engines were notorious for cracked blocks. Is this true? Are there replacement short blocks out there?

I would love to restore this tractor as it has great potential.

Thanks

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Jim in OH

05-23-2005 11:29:40




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 Re: TO20 water in oil in reply to Shane1, 05-22-2005 14:05:02  
These engines for the TO-20 (Z120) and TO-30 (Z129) will have problems if abused; e.g., if overheated or with freezing without adequate freeze protection. Leaks could be from a number of sources:

1-the cylinder liner seals (at the bottom of the liner to the block) could leak in time even if not badly abused. They just get old.
2-cracks in the block. These can be at a number of locations, but between the cylinders at the bottom of the cylinder liner seals is a likely candidate if leaking water into the oil.
3-headgaskets. This could be a problem, but water into oil is less likely from this cause.
4-Corrosion. Holes can rust from the cooling jacket into the crankcase.

The engine can be disassembled, inspected and rebuilt without complete removal (an inframe rebuild) but good crack inspection will take an experienced specialist and possibly a good cleaning. And proper repairs of cracks and the rebuilding of the crank and certain seals are better (or can only be) done after spitting the tractor and removing the engine.

However, don't be discouraged just by the possibility (or even the reality) of cracks. These cracks are very frequently repairable. There are many working TO-20s and TO-30s out there with repaired blocks. Properly repaired, they will last as long as those that have not been cracked, at least until abused again. There are also some success stories out there with do-it-yourself repairs but I wouldn't do it that way

Also, there is an abundance of parts. I have seen a number of used blocks, as well, that are out there. Not as many as for the Fords, but there were lots of these Ferguson tractors made. Also for non-purests, the Z129 of the TO-30 can be adapted for the Z120 without much trouble giving additional possibilities.

Hope that this helps..

JIm

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gshadel

05-23-2005 10:55:16




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 Re: TO20 water in oil in reply to Shane1, 05-22-2005 14:05:02  
might be leaking O-rings on the bottom of the sleeves like gerard says. Might be cracks in block. Might be a bad head gasket job.
Continentals are prone to crack (like about any engine) if the engine is left to freeze, or extremely overheated. Cracked blocks can typicially be repaired, likely cheaper than buying another block.

A couple things to check to help you determine your exact problem:

Check compression, if one or two cylinders are a lot lower than the rest, that suggest head gasket problem.

Pull the oil pan. Clean the upper crankcase in- beween the sleeves real good, maybe use some steel wool to make sure it is clean. Look at the bottom of the block real good between the sleeves for cracks, let sit overnight and re-inspect for signs of green antifreeze.

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gerard

05-22-2005 17:22:56




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 Re: TO20 water in oil in reply to Shane1, 05-22-2005 14:05:02  
Might be seals at bottom of liners. To do properly without dropping crud all over crank means engine out & full strip down, but you may be lucky & find a few dollars'll fix it.



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Shane1

05-23-2005 19:18:49




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 Re: TO20 water in oil in reply to gerard, 05-22-2005 17:22:56  
thanks for the ideas, you have given me hope!



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Tom H.

05-24-2005 17:05:38




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 Re: TO20 water in oil in reply to Shane1, 05-23-2005 19:18:49  
I just went through the same problem only augmented by a spun rear main bearing. The crack fixing was very easy. Dropped off the block at my Massey Ferguson dealer (who said they been fixing these for 50 years) and he put three bolts into the block to fix the lower web cracks. She runs like a new machine now, all new bearings and seals. A few dollars can be well spent.

Good luck.



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