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oil pressure problem identified...question re pump

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George in NW Mi

04-10-2005 13:32:01




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To continue the saga of my TO-20 that suddenly lost oil pressure. I pulled out the pump and found the cause immediately, as many of you said I would.

There is a small key on one of the inside gears that locks the gear to the shaft. This has been damaged and no longer locks the gear in place.

This "key" is damaged and I cannot tell whether it was a screw or was wedged in. There is a similar key on the external big gear, it looks like it has a flat screw head. But it doesn't really look like a screw....maybe it driven into place with something shaped like a flat screw driver in order to spread it out.

What were these keys, screws or wedges? Can they be replaced without having to buy a full rebuild kit? For example, can you drill them out and install a new one?

Weather has turned warm and I am looking forward to getting it running again.

thanks,

George

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George in NW Mich

04-12-2005 18:29:47




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 Update....I did buy a rebuild kit in reply to George in NW Mich, 04-10-2005 13:32:01  
I much appreciated all the useful help I got here. I took the advice and ordered a rebuild kit. I did take it to my local MF dealer (owner has a TO-20 also) to get it installed. I didn't have the tools to do and I didn't want to damage it doing the job.



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Gerald J.

04-13-2005 08:18:58




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 Re: Update....One other detail in reply to George in NW Mich, 04-12-2005 18:29:47  
You need to check the driven gear (driven by the crankshaft gear) mesh. Needs to have a bit of backlash, to not bind, through the full revolutions of crank and pump. There are shims on the mounting to set that clearance.

And be certain nothing but oil can go in the intake or you will break the rebuilt pump someday.

Gerald J.



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gshadel

04-12-2005 14:12:55




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 Re: oil pressure problem identified...question re in reply to George in NW Mich, 04-10-2005 13:32:01  
George, glad to hear you found the source of your problem. That key on the internal pump gear is pressed in at the factory. You might be able to drill that hole to size and press a new piece of metal into the gear, or tap and screw-in a small allen head screw(use locktite too)... but either way would be tricky and might fail later. I'd recommend breaking down and getting the rebuild kit ~$40. the rebuild kit will include both new internal gears and shafts, new outside drive gear and the allen head screw that is used for the key on the outside drive gear, new spring and plunger for the relief valve.
It is also possible a piece of metal was sucked into your pump to cause that damage. Might want to make sure your oil strainer in in good shape and is installed proberly. 1st time I changed oil in my TO, found the strainer had a big gash in the side, and was installed upside down. Wasn't doing much good that way.

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Gerald J.

04-11-2005 08:36:41




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 Re: oil pressure problem identified...question re in reply to George in NW Mich, 04-10-2005 13:32:01  
Value built shows the same pump repair kit for all Continental engines used in MF, at least 4 cylinder engines.

So I looked the kit up in my MF-135 parts book. The key for the outside driven gear is a screw. Called a French Key. The book doesn't give a size. The shaft and gear inside the pump come together. They aren't supposed to come loose, so I have no hint of how they were attached. The kit includes three gears, two shafts and a bushing plus gasket and that screw and some other parts.

I don't know what would have caused the inner gear to come loose from the shaft other than not having been attached well when it was made or bushing and shaft wear have it striking the case and binding up, though a chunk of something hard in the gears would cause a great complaint.

Gerald J.

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Gerald J.

04-10-2005 15:51:23




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 Re: oil pressure problem identified...question re in reply to George in NW Mich, 04-10-2005 13:32:01  
This is where I'd break for a new pump if I could find one. Its worn, the gears are worn, the bearings are worn. Fixing the key may make it work but a new pump will loose less oil and put more oil into the oil galleries. Loss of oil is just too hard on the engine. Second best is a rebuild kit that includes new gears, shafts, and end wear plates.

Gerald J.



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John(UK)

04-10-2005 13:40:43




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 Re: oil pressure problem identified...question re in reply to George in NW Mich, 04-10-2005 13:32:01  
I think I would do a rebuild on an oil pump, you can't afford to have it pack up on you and do a lot of damage. What price is a kit....$50 ? how much to regrind the crank etc. ??



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