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TEA20 rehab: help needed

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Rod in Smiths F

02-16-2005 09:48:59




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With the loader off the old Fergie TEA20 it is a much more comfortable machine to operate. At the moment several little problems annoy me and must be fixed.

1. Gas leaks from the sediment bowl unless the fuel is shut off. I lost the shut off handle, so now must turn the fuel on and off with a pair of surgical pliers. Can I stop this leak? If not, can I get a replacement handle for the shut-off?

2. The battery goes dead if I don't lift the positive cable off the battery after every stop. I suspect it's loose or corroded cables down under the air cleaner, because I have to boost it on morning start-up, but the 110 v charger can get very little juice into the battery. Battery was in good condition when running my boat last summer, so I suspect a corroded or loose connection somewhere under there in the area I couldn't reach because of the loader.

3. Rain leaks into the crankcase through the oil filler spout. All there is to cover it is a kind of choke plate which hinges out of the way for an oil can. It doesn't keep water out. What is supposed to go on there?

4. Backfiring, sucking, general missing at startup. My mechanic tells me it needs a valve job, so I'll have to live with this one for a while. As it warms up it levels out and runs smoothly with reasonable power.

Anyway, I can see using this tractor quite a lot for trailer-towing, but I need it to start easily and be able to sit out attached to an implement.

Any suggestions would be appreciated, particularly those which enable me to find the missing parts identified above.

Thanks,

Rod

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Jim W

02-16-2005 15:29:48




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 Re: TEA20 rehab: help needed in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 02-16-2005 09:48:59  
Rod,
My comments for what they're worth:
1. Carson's in Perth for a new bowl, no more problems.
2. Loose or corroded cables don't drain a battery; there is a load somewhere. My bet is the regulator as has been mentioned; I suppose the generator could have a fault. My solution would be to replace with an alternator as Barry has done however it is more of a job than it sounds.
3. It's a mystery how rain can leak in there - wouldn't it have to go uphill?
4. A wet and dry compression check will tell you about he valve situation. It could be something else.

I'm just up the road from you, in Franktown, and have two working TEAs here if you want to take a look at how something is supposed to be. One is relatively unmolested and the other has been totally restored. You can see it at the web page below which perhaps will give you some tips too.
Email me separately if you want at jim dot wallace at netscape dot ca.
Jim

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Rod in Smiths Falls, ON,

02-16-2005 17:44:29




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 Re: TEA20 rehab: help needed in reply to Jim W, 02-16-2005 15:29:48  
What an outstanding website!

I learned a great deal from the thumbnails of the disassembly and your comments upon key components.

The Guatemalian Stove Project seems to be a great, practical way to make the world a better place. This kind of aid makes a lot of sense.



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John (UK)

02-16-2005 13:21:28




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 Re: TEA20 rehab: help needed in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 02-16-2005 09:48:59  
Rod, What makes you think water is getting in through the oil filler cap, because it doesn't normally do that.



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Rod in Smiths Falls, ON,

02-16-2005 16:59:26




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 Re: TEA20 rehab: help needed in reply to John (UK), 02-16-2005 13:21:28  

How do I know that water is getting into the crankcase?

1. There's evidence of water in the crankcase oil when it sits outside for any time.
2. I see drops of water making their way in (nothing to stop them) when the rain is blowing the right way.
3. Water also gets into the tranny, to the point that my dad made a cover for the bottom of the shifter out of a piece of inner tube. I guess there are a couple of gaskets that could take care of that.

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John (UK)

02-17-2005 12:28:58




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 Re: TEA20 rehab: help needed in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 02-16-2005 16:59:26  
The reason I asked about how you know water is getting in I wondered if you saw condensation at the cap in the form of water droplets and assumed water was getting in. If the filler cap is undamaged and the spring is pulling it shut water will not get in, we used to pressure wash them without problems, so something must be wrong with your cap if this is happening as you say. The water in the transmission can get in at least two places as it wears, the gear lever as you have already said and at the Control Spring behind the seat where the rod from the Top Link Rocker passes through the Hydraulic Top Cover. There is a felt seal that will have worn away and possibly the triangular plate that covers it will have rusted away too.

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Barry from Stirling

02-16-2005 11:02:05




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 Re: TEA20 rehab: help needed in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 02-16-2005 09:48:59  
Hi Rod

I had quite a few of the same problems as you a while back. The fuel sediment bowl on my 1952 TEA-2085 was the original one when I bought her, gas leaked all over the place. I went to my local Massey Dealer in Spring Brook and bought a brand new one. I didnt care if it was original looking, just wanted it to work. Got tired of using pinchers to shut off the gas. The new one cost me $35. TSC Hardware sell them as well. Installed it in about 15 minutes. The battery on my old girl was new as well but kept loosing power, Couldnt understand why, then it hit me. Mine was converted to a 12 volt with an Alternator when I bought her. Turns out the Alternator was not working. Had it rebuilt, and before I put it back on I looked at all the connections and made sure they were all sound and in-tacted. I havent had a problem since.
The oil spout cover on mine is the same as yours, but I have never had a problem with water getting in. Anyway, I hope my 2 cents worth help out. If your ever up Marmora way, Im south on Highway 14 about 15 Km
Stay well Barry

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John UK

02-16-2005 10:42:47




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 Re: TEA20 rehab: help needed in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 02-16-2005 09:48:59  
With the fuel bowl (sediment bowl) have you changed the gasket that the glass bowl sits on as they harden after sometime and don't seal correctly. The shaft of the tap itself has a seal on it, very often made of a piece of string wrapped around the shaft, you can tighten the nut that screws into the head of the fuel bowl and that should stop the leak, if it doesn't, remove the tap shaft and repack it and tighten the nut until the leak stops, you shouldn't need to turn the tap off all the time although it is sense to do so.
For the battery going flat it could be a shorting cable, maybe the insulation has worn away, or it could be the Regulator has stuck, you can check this by removing the fan belt and check the generator to see if it is turning like a motor, if it is change or repair the Regulator.
You need a proper filler cap just like you would have on a car engine, it doesn't need to be the genuine thing as long as it seals the rain out.
It is possible that your troubles at starting from cold is electrical too, so check the coil and points, the distributor cap (could be damp inside when its cold)Rotor arm and maybe condenser.
You will find it is a much nicer tractor without the loader fitted, just grease the steering up and it will be like a Rolls-Royce or a Cadillac.

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