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tractor moving by itself and tire repair

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Mike2

01-26-2005 16:41:04




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Well, this is the first winter I owned my to-30 tractor and I live in PA where we currently have temperatures around 0 degrees. Anyways, I went and started my tractor this past weekend to move some snow and had a weard experience. when moving the shifter, it was very stiff due to the cold weather and thick tranny fluid. I started the tractor, let the cluch out and the tractor stalled. Keep in mind I am not in any gear. I tried it again but this time let the clutch out slowly. The engine would start to stall as I let the cluch out and the tractory would push a little like it wanted to move forward. Did anybody ever experience this before? can I damage something by quickly pushing the clutch in and out until the engine does not stall? I am guessing that since the fluid is so think from the cold, it is making the gears turn some how.

I have also noticed I have a slit in one of my rear tires about a 1/2" long on the bottom (not sidewall)between the tire bars. My tire is not loosing any air of fluid but I am concerned the slit my get worse. Is there a way to repair this slit or am I worrying for no reason?

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robert wetzel

01-27-2005 13:12:39




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 Re: tractor moving by itself and tire repair in reply to Mike2, 01-26-2005 16:41:04  
I had water frozen in the bottom of the transmission of a work 9n. I secured the clutch in a depressed position wirh a ratcheting nylon strap, started the engine, blocked the radiator with cardboard and let it run a little above idle for 2 hours. The ice melted I moved the tractor to a place where I could drain the water and oil, flushed the trans with some kerosene and replaced the oil. In as much as this tractor spends all of its time outside I will take extra cate to cover the water entry points.(tarp)
I have had excellent results using black RTV silicon caulking compound to prevent debris from puncturing these slits. You have to uder cut the edges a bit, clean up the entire slit and fillit up with the caulk. This is a summer time job . The silicon has to cure well before use. I have some of these repairs for over 5 years now,still OK They are just tghere to prevent easy puncture. They do flex with the tire,

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Dan S (NY)

01-27-2005 09:22:17




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 Re: tractor moving by itself and tire repair in reply to Mike2, 01-26-2005 16:41:04  
My TO-20 will also try to move a bit when it is very cold (below zero). The fluid acts as a viscous coupling between the gears and you can get some forward movement. I usually let the engine warm up for a minute with the clutch held down, put a foot on the brake and let the clutch up while playing with the choke to keep it running. Once it takes up the load I can pin the choke closed a little bit and leave it warm up for a while. I also don’t have the PTO engaged at first either to lighten the load. This forward movement is very minimal on mine and I only get it at subzero temps. When I bought the tractor the previous owner had overfilled the rear fluid by quite a bit which caused this to happen with greater force and at higher temps, so check your fluid level. I keep meaning to get one of those magnetic heaters for the rear end but haven’t gotten around to it yet.
Dan

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hydhorse

01-27-2005 02:08:57




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 Re: tractor moving by itself and tire repair in reply to Mike2, 01-26-2005 16:41:04  
you may want to check the trany for moisture in the oil. this can cause major damage. good luck !



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Sodbuster

01-27-2005 01:55:59




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 Re: tractor moving by itself and tire repair in reply to Mike2, 01-26-2005 16:41:04  
Gregg/Ohio is correct. Slits are common in used tractor tires. No need to worry. Don't know what wt. fluid you are running but, a lighter wt is recommended for cold temps but, at 0 degrees, still may have some problems. Maybe your tractor is trying to tell you something, "It's cold outside". Brrrrr!



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Gregg/Ohio

01-26-2005 20:33:50




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 Re: tractor moving by itself and tire repair in reply to Mike2, 01-26-2005 16:41:04  
"I have also noticed I have a slit in one of my rear tires about a 1/2" long on the bottom (not sidewall)between the tire bars" The slits is common on most tractor tires that have been used,unlike a car/truck tire, this will not cause a problem, I have a few slits in my rear tires on my Ferguson,one is 3 inches long,and have had no leakage at all. and its been there since 1989.



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Jerry/MT

01-26-2005 19:45:10




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 Re: tractor moving by itself and tire repair in reply to Mike2, 01-26-2005 16:41:04  
With a cold engine at temperatures below about freezing, the transmission fluid, which is also the hydraulic fluid, is very viscous. Since the PTO and the hydraulic pump are driven when the clutch is engaged, and even though the transmission is in neutral the shafts are still turning. There is a big load on the engine and if you aren't holding the choke in a little, the engine will die.



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Randy165

01-27-2005 04:36:17




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 Re: tractor moving by itself and tire repair in reply to Jerry/MT, 01-26-2005 19:45:10  
Its possible you have some water in the bottom of the case that contains the hydralic pump. That pump sits very close to the bottom, if any water has accumulated around the pump and froze,it will prevent the pump from working. Let the tractor sit over night, maybe two nights, without starting, in a warm building (above freezing) and then check the drain plug on that case. Unscrew the plug very slowly to see if there is any water. Water is heavier than oil and will sink to the bottom of the case. Just my experience, Good luck!

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