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TO35 Tach Cable

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Ed in MD

01-18-2005 07:35:23




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This has got to be a really stupid question but where does the tach cable hook up to the tractor? My tach was old and no longer working so I ordered up a new tach and cable for it. When I went to take out the old tach I found the cable was cut off the end going to the tractor was no where to be found. Now I'm looking around and can't find where the cable ever was hooked up. My shop manual doesn't even mention the installation.

Thanks in advance,
Ed

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Peter Booth(AUS)

01-22-2005 15:18:40




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 Re: TO35 Tach Cable in reply to Ed in MD, 01-18-2005 07:35:23  
Hi all
I have a FE35 with the 4cyl std. On the end of the injection pump there is a small cog drive and a threaded piece on top that looks like it would take a cable. if this isn't for a tacho is it for an hour meter or something else?



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phil(va)

01-19-2005 10:07:29




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 Re: TO35 Tach Cable in reply to Ed in MD, 01-18-2005 07:35:23  
Only solution I know of is to find a generator with proper connection in back, even 6 volt can be converted to 12 volt by experienced shop, and replace the alternator.



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Paul in AZ

01-18-2005 16:25:10




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 Re: TO35 Tach Cable in reply to Ed in MD, 01-18-2005 07:35:23  
Ed, remove the small plate at the rear of the of the generator. If there is a small gear on the end o fhe shaft, it is adaptable to a tach. You'd, however have to find the adapter to which you attach the end of the cable.

If there is no gear and you want to run your tach, you're going to have to find a replacement generator that will run one.



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Ed in MD

01-18-2005 16:40:02




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 Re: TO35 Tach Cable in reply to Paul in AZ, 01-18-2005 16:25:10  
This tractor was converted to 12v before I bought it. Is there any way or maybe a kit made to drive the tach and still have an alternator?



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Gerald J.

01-18-2005 07:47:01




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 Re: TO35 Tach Cable in reply to Ed in MD, 01-18-2005 07:35:23  
It depends on the engine. Some (Perkins) connect the tach cable to the back end of the cam shaft. Some with Continental gas connect to a little gear box on the back of the generator. That gets tossed when an alternator is mounted.

Gerald J.



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Ed in MD

01-18-2005 14:34:04




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 Re: TO35 Tach Cable in reply to Gerald J., 01-18-2005 07:47:01  
Well that explains it. I have the Continental and it has been converted to 12v. Are there any conversions for some sort of Tach drive when you convert it to 12v?



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Gerald J.

01-18-2005 18:54:10




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 Re: TO35 Tach Cable in reply to Ed in MD, 01-18-2005 14:34:04  
I'm not aware of any after market alternators with geared tachometer connections to fit the Continental engines. I have a MF-135 with a generator. Going to a tach you almost surely have a different pulley on the alternator (you need to spin it faster anyway) than the generator and a wider pulley than is standard on car alternators. That wrecks the tachometer calibration. Then you need the direction of rotation of the gears (as well as the speed change) to match the rotation of the tachometer that could have been run from the back end of a gear driven cam shaft. There's no way to get to the camshaft of the Continental engine either.

The generator on my MF-135 works quite well so I've not seriously considered changing it. It didn't charge well when I first got the tractor in 1987, but it had a new voltage regulator. I lifted the cover off that voltage regulator and tweaked a spring anchor to raise the voltage slightly and I get 4 or 5 years battery life and rarely have to put a charger on it, even with light use. I have a bigger tractor for field work now.

The tachometer option I've considered most is to go to an electronic tachometer (loosing the hour meter, but my MF-135 has a separate hour meter anyway) driving from the ignition system. There are a few with digital readout in 10 RPM increments that would work well (maybe in the J.C. Whitney catalog though I don't know if they will stand being rained on). Most of the pointer styles for hotrods don't get to full scale at 2500 RPM, unfortunately more often at 8000 or 10000 RPM which makes the tractor range almost useless. I'm sure the 10000 RPM tach with a new scale and a slight circuit modification would work super on the tractor. I probably could do it, but I've not tried it. The problem would be mostly in opening up the package and closing it again neatly, not in modifying the electronics. Might only need to be set for a single cylinder 4 cycle engine on a switch and then the modified scale.

There might be a mechanical option but it could be messy to make work. One could build a gear box to ride a pulley on the inside of the fan belt above or below the alternator, then adjust the geared speed to calibrate the original tachometer. Or one could put that pulley on the OUTSIDE of the fan belt, but then the pulley would have to be larger and you'd have to change the pulley to set the tachometer calibration.

I suppose one could build a very custom distributor and bring out a shaft at a suitable speed for the tachometer (like the distributor drive of my JD 4020 gas engine).

Or one could scrap the alternator and put the original generator with proper gear box back on.

Gerald J.

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