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trans/rear end lubricant

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Gary Mac

11-22-2004 12:59:14




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What type of oil should be in the trans/rear axle of the TE 20?




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James2

11-23-2004 10:15:09




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 Re: trans/rear end lubricant in reply to Gary Mac, 11-22-2004 12:59:14  
With the exception that higher rated gear oil usually contain sulfur compounds as antiwear agents, which may cause bronze bushings to corrode, I can't think of any good reason to use a GL1 oil. If this is a concern, one can find industrial versions which use little or no sulfur. For vastly inmproved low temp lubricating benefits, I would never consider 90W; go for 75W90. It is significantly more expensive, but how many times do you change gear oil in a lifetime? Not many I suspect. Again sulfur could be a concern. Generally I have considered this just a minor problem and the low temp flow and antiwear characteristics are just so overwhelmingly superior. If this is still a major concern, look for ndustrial versions.

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James2

11-23-2004 14:08:18




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 Re: trans/rear end lubricant in reply to James2, 11-23-2004 10:15:09  
There should not be any sulfer in GL-1 it is a straight mineral oil with no additatives.

The GL-3, GL-4, and GL-5 have the sulfer in them.

Jeff



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Jeff-oh

11-23-2004 05:53:45




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 Re: trans/rear end lubricant in reply to Gary Mac, 11-22-2004 12:59:14  
Gary,

So you have a TE also. What year and where are you located. I am in SW Ohio (Cincinnati area) with a '48 TE SN 402##.

Jeff



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Jeff-oh

11-23-2004 05:36:11




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 Re: trans/rear end lubricant in reply to Gary Mac, 11-22-2004 12:59:14  
Gary,

With no dis-respect for Rod, the manual calls for 90 wt. straight mineral oil above 50 deg. F and 80 wt. straight mineral oil below 50 deg. F.

In today�s terms that id GL-1 gear lube.

The Massey part number if MF-1103.
It can also be had under the name Dentax by Shell oil. look in yellow pages for a shell oil distributor near you.

Also NAPA carries it as part number 65-205 gear lube. If the local store does not have it then they can get it from the distribution center in a day or two.

Costs:
Massey - 1103 ~$37/5gal US
Shell about the same
NAPA - $27/5 gallon US. I bought 3 pails this summer.


From Big Dean's pages

Gear Hydraulic Oil Used In the Older Tractors On the older tractor before the 100 series it is recommend that you use the 80/90-weight mineral oil. Massey # M1103. There has been a lot of controversy on the tractor boards about this. Here are my thoughts on this. The Reg. gear oil will work but sooner or later you will probably have problems with using it. The paraffin in this oil will gum up the valves and filter & you will have to tear the pump down to clean it out. It will also build up on the sides of the gearboxes causing more problems later. I have seen this problem so many time though the years. These tractors can use the same oil that the newer tractors use if the hydraulics is in good shape. this oil is Perm-A-Tran 3 or the old number is M1129A. Some people use Perm-A-Tran 3 in the winter & switch to the M1103 in the summer. If the oil is still clean with no water in it you can save it & reuse it.

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Rod in Smiths Falls, ON,

11-22-2004 20:17:07




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 Re: trans/rear end lubricant in reply to Gary Mac, 11-22-2004 12:59:14  
What they recommended at the MF dealership was the equivalent of GL4. They didn't seem worried that the detergent would hurt anything.

But hey, they sell new ones. I eventually bought the GL4 at Canadian Tire as it looked to be the same stuff and cost half as much.



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Sam-Ga

11-22-2004 14:40:34




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 Re: trans/rear end lubricant in reply to Gary Mac, 11-22-2004 12:59:14  
Gary;

Go down this page to Trans/hyd oil 80 -90. It's three down from yours.



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Sam-Ga

11-22-2004 14:26:28




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 Re: trans/rear end lubricant in reply to Gary Mac, 11-22-2004 12:59:14  
Gary use GL-1



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Don(Co)

11-23-2004 12:14:40




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 Re: trans/rear end lubricant in reply to Sam-Ga, 11-22-2004 14:26:28  
Ive been using the newer oils (trans. & hydraulic)oil in mine for a few years its much cleaner,superior, and no it doesnt eat anything up. Hyds.. work much better in winter. I dont know why you guys continue to hold on to those old wives tales that Gl-1 should still be used. That stuff was ok when nothing else was available but its as thick as cement in the winter and leaves all kinds of crud. The newer oils are far superior and when you look in my transmission case it sparkles. Its a 1952 To-30

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tractorfix

11-23-2004 13:50:56




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 Re: trans/rear end lubricant in reply to Don(Co), 11-23-2004 12:14:40  
The darned things have lasted 50 odd years with usually nothing more than scuzzy water in them. I think this whole oil thing is always getting blown out of proportion. It mostly boils down to personal preference and previous experience. I'll stick with 10W30 motor oil. Never had a problem yet.



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Don (Co)

11-24-2004 14:47:05




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 Re: trans/rear end lubricant in reply to tractorfix, 11-23-2004 13:50:56  
SAY WHA ????



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