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TEA20 Hydraulics

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Rod in Smiths F

10-03-2004 16:34:01




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I inherited my dad's TEA20 with loader. The loader is currently off the tractor though the cylinders are still attached.

Last summer I discovered after a vigorous session with a bush-hog that the three point hitch lift mechanism would no longer go up. When I spoke to a mechanic this spring about it he said that the problem was most likely in the hydraulic switch which splits the flow between the hitch and the cylinders. Surely enough, a push on the switch and that which was dead came to life, even though I had tried the same thing innumerable times before.

Now after a session with a loaded cement mixer, the hoist isn't working again. No amount of fiddling with the push/push switch makes a difference, though I notice that engine idle dies down a bit when I put the lift to "up".

Variables: 1. It's been sitting outside in the rain, and there seems to be quite a bit of rain water in the transmission/hydraulic oil.

2. While the tractor is in excellent overall condition, I think it hates me. It sparks whenever I re-connect the battery, backfires at me when starting, runs out of gas at the most inappropriate moments. The rest of the time it runs perfectly, just to lull me into trusting it.

3. I suspect that it knows about the bush-hog waiting and doesn't want any more weed seeds in its radiator, so it's faking illness.

4. I seem to recall reading somewhere about a protection system to prevent damage to the system from fools who overload it. Seems I switched the pto on and off a few times last summer to restart the bush-hog. PTO works fine now, though.

Any suggestions? Anybody want to adopt a Ferguson from a potentially abusive master? I think I need low range and a live pto.

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John (UK)

10-04-2004 15:31:28




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 Re: TEA20 Hydraulics in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, Onta, 10-03-2004 16:34:01  
If the engine changes its note when you move the hydraulic lever to lift then it sounds as though the Control valve and Pump are ok and that the fault lies with that changeover valve. The oil is going nowhere when you put the lever to lift so the pump gets up to max pressure and discharges the safety valve, the rear hydraulics should work ok if this is right.Get that oil changed for the proper stuff...GL1 24 US quarts, drain it from all 3 drain plugs.And try to keep the old girl in the dry. its cheaper in the long term.

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Rod in Smiths Falls

10-05-2004 17:01:03




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 Re: TEA20 Hydraulics in reply to John (UK), 10-04-2004 15:31:28  
Can someone explain what GLI is to a Cannuck who still thinks in SAE? I know 10w, 30, 10W30, 70/80 gear oil, and that's about it. What is GLI???



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Jim W

10-05-2004 19:17:19




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 Re: TEA20 Hydraulics in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, 10-05-2004 17:01:03  
GL1 is not the viscosity; it describes what additives are in the oil. GL1 is also known as mineral oil i.e. it has none or maybe a minimum of additives. Some oils have fancy modern additives that, so the story goes, is hard on brass parts. Viscosity-wise, the tractor calls for SAE80 or 90, depending on whether it's winter or summer. But not gear oil! Viscosity is measured at the oil's operating temperature, so 80 weight gear oil is thicker at room temp. than 80 weight straight mineral oil. If you were to use 80 weight gear oil, it wouldn't get hot enough to thin out to what the tractor needs.
There is much discussion here about this. My opinion, to which of course I am entitled, and for what it's worth, and you can do with it what you like, is to go to WalMart and get the 20 litre pail of Tech 2000 TDH fluid which crosses to MF1129 oil, and carry on. Note to our US neighbours: in Canada we do not have the same stuff at WalMart that you have. And, our local MF dealer does not carry 1103; he uses Duratran.
Regards,
Jim

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Rod in Smiths Falls

10-06-2004 15:36:13




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 Re: TEA20 Hydraulics in reply to Jim W, 10-05-2004 19:17:19  
Thanks, Jim. That explains a lot. I'll pick some up.

Rod



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Rod in Smiths Falls

10-05-2004 10:48:06




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 Re: TEA20 Hydraulics in reply to John (UK), 10-04-2004 15:31:28  
Guys:

I have just read about the control spring on the hydraulic system in another post. Could having a steel bar across the spring to keep the hitch from going down too far have something to do with its performance? (This may be a really dumb question, but...) When I put the mixer on I had to jam a piece of plank in there to gain more height. Then all of that weight went onto it, and I suppose the force is on that spring.....

Maybe I should take my trusty floor jack and lift the mixer off the spring and then try it.

The bar was my dad's innovation, a piece of channel steel held neatly in place with two u bolts.

Regarding the 3 pt hitch mixer. The following day I completed the job with my trusty electric mixer with fewer hassles and continuous production. For a one-man operation I would never buy one of the tractor-mounted ones. The PTO spins it way too fast, and the aggregate ends up plastered to the walls of the mixer. Then I have to shut off to scrape it down, then start it again. It's very hard to get access to the aggregate while the mixer is loaded, because of the small access hole.

Finally I took care of the segregation of materials when the thing abruptly overbalanced and vomited the entire contents onto the grass. When I shovelled it back in it mixed pretty well. Now that was my only attempt with the borrowed abomination. It did hold a bag of cement and forty shovelfuls of cement gravel, with room for more.

Ah, but you say, "The tractor delivers the concrete to the footing." It had better, because it dumps too low for it to go into a wheelbarrow. Hence my attempts with the plank.

In fact, I found I could put the $150 electric mixer right next to the job, a utility trailer with a yard of gravel in it a step away, and run the wheelbarrow downhill to the site much more easily than backing the tractor around.

Advantage electricity, by a wide margin.

Thanks for the information and advice.

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John (UK)

10-05-2004 11:05:48




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 Re: TEA20 Hydraulics in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, 10-05-2004 10:48:06  
Hi Rod, Nothing should be attached to the Top Link connection on the tractor other than a top link or the drawbar stays. If you need a point to attach anything to in that area you should use the long hinged pin just under the top link rocker. You must never tow anything from there (can"t understand why anyone would want to do that but they do) We use to sell a lot of mounted Concrete Mixers at one time they were ok, just set the tractor to idle and it would go all day. I suppose it depends on the job you are doing, they wont do for everyone. The mixer should have had some form of locking arrangement for your tractor to stop it dropping right down or built in stands to drop it on to.

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Rod in Smiths Falls

10-05-2004 16:47:01




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 Re: TEA20 Hydraulics in reply to John (UK), 10-05-2004 11:05:48  
I went to the farm and tried removing the blocks holding the three point hitch mechanism above the spring. The lift still didn't work. As I drove the tractor the mixer inexorably settled into the dirt until I could go no further. Without another choice, I unhitched the thing in the barnyard. Then, all of the sudden, the hydraulic lift started to work again. Seems the mixer was too heavy for it to lift.

While I can't move the mixer by lifting on it, I would think the tractor should be able to lift more than four hundred pounds or so. Could that be because of water mixed with the fluid?

Thanks,

Rod

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John (UK)

10-06-2004 10:30:34




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 Re: TEA20 Hydraulics in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, 10-05-2004 16:47:01  
It's highly unlikely that is the problem, while the water will not do the hydraulics any good at all, it sounds as though you have a pressure loss somewhere, favourite is the safety valve IF the hydraulics don't drop on their own, if they do its a gasket or "O" ring thats blown somewhere. The safety valve can be just worn through discharging unecessarily (2000psi plays havoc with the valves)the safety valve should only discharge momentarily not continually - EVER. The tractor should be capable of lifting about 800 - 1000lbs at the link ends, the nearer to the tractor the more it is able to lift. If you need help to find the fault, email me at fergusontractors at* hotmail dot com and I will send you a "How-to" sheet to help you.

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Jim W

10-05-2004 19:21:56




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 Re: TEA20 Hydraulics in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, 10-05-2004 16:47:01  
It could be that your pressure relief valve is faulty and is opening prematurely i.e. at too low a pressure. I think this would explain just about all your symptoms.
Jim



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Jim W

10-03-2004 16:59:35




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 Re: TEA20 Hydraulics in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, Onta, 10-03-2004 16:34:01  
Best drain the water out pretty soon, though it couldn't have frozen last night so that won't have caused the abrupt change in prformance.
A common enough problem is that the control valve in the hydraulic pump becomes disconnected from the linkage that goes down from the lever on the quadrant. It's not related to having done a bunch of heavy work but then, I guess you might have been operating the lever a fair bit.
You can check this by taking off one of the round side covers and reaching in with your hand to feel around (with the tractor off of course).
What kind of cement mixer? I would like the opportunity to have a look sometime as I have been thinking about getting one, maybe.
Jim
Franktown

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