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TO30 Clutch Alignment

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JAMES E. INMAN

09-13-2004 08:27:50




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I had engine out for rework and am having a
lot of trouble getting the engine to line up
into the bell housing. I centered the CLutch
Disk with a Clutch Alignment Tool and have the
engine suspended on a cherry picker and balance equalizer but when I attempt to push the engine back to mate with the bell housing, it just "balks". Any good ideas would be appreciated.




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bobby16781

09-13-2004 12:30:20




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 Re: TO30 Clutch Alignment in reply to JAMES E. INMAN, 09-13-2004 08:27:50  
something you might not realize. if you take a tool, like vice grips or similar tool. engage the pto gear, wrap the pto shaft with a rag. on the back of the tractor. clamp the vice grips to the shaft and rotate the shaft as you instal the the pilot shaft into the clutch. if you have your clutch aligned properly it should slip right in, problem with all threads is you could damage clutch by over tightening. my father has a 1950 8n ford. been in the family since 1950. I have been its mechanic since 1975. I love the old fords and fergusons

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gshadel

09-13-2004 12:09:14




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 Re: TO30 Clutch Alignment in reply to JAMES E. INMAN, 09-13-2004 08:27:50  
What Jerry said is right. When I re-installed my engine, I used 4 pieces of all-thread rod, maybe 10 inches long, threaded into the bell housing, one in each corner of the bell housing. Get the engine started on the all-thread, then push it towards the housing. The all-thread helps you line-up the engine to bell housing. Measure the gap top and bottom, left and right, between the engine and housing to help get the angle right. I had a jack under the tranny, I found it was easier to raise it up and down to get the angle right with the engine, rather than trying to lift the front of the engine up or down. When you feel the engine stop against the splined shaft, wiggle the crap out of the engine, both left and right, and rocking it clockwise and counterclockwise to help line-up the splines with the clutch and get it started on the splined shaft. When the engine angle is close to the tranny angle, it will just slide right together!
Good Luck!

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Jerry/MT

09-13-2004 17:17:32




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 Re: TO30 Clutch Alignment in reply to gshadel, 09-13-2004 12:09:14  
Neat idea, using threaded rods! I'll remember that for the next time I have to split the machine.



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gshadel

09-14-2004 07:34:37




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 Re: TO30 Clutch Alignment in reply to Jerry/MT, 09-13-2004 17:17:32  
I got that idea from an old Maintanence guy where I used to work. Back in my younger day, I was trying to install a V-8 in my "new" set of wheels...'68 GTO, man! I couldn't get the engine lined-up on the tranny, which was still in the car. Spent a whole day beating on it with no luck. The old guy cut me some all-thread and told me what to do. Only took about 20 minutes to get the engine and tranny pulled back together after doing what the old guy said.
Now, I guess I'm the old Maint. guy! Wish I still had that GTO!

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TBock

09-13-2004 12:00:34




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 Re: TO30 Clutch Alignment in reply to JAMES E. INMAN, 09-13-2004 08:27:50  
I just put in a new clutch and had the same problems. I bought four 7/16" bolts about 4" long and slid them through the engine holes and tightened them into the transmission...this lined up the two halves PERFECTLY.

Then I removed all of the spark plugs so I could turn the crankshaft. I used a large screwdriver and a brake adjustment tool as pry bars to fit the slots in the crankshaft pulley shaft at the front of the engine. I turned the crankshaft about 1/8" at a time to line up the transmission splines with the clutch. I used a comealong to pull the two halves together...everytime I turned the crank, I tugged on the comealong to see if it was lined up. If it wasn't, I had to slightly release the tension on the comealon so I could turn the crankshaft another 1/8". It took about 10 tries. I hope this helps.

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JAMES E. INMAN

09-13-2004 18:00:12




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 Re: TO30 Clutch Alignment in reply to TBock, 09-13-2004 12:00:34  
The bolts were a great idea. They were installed to get perfect alignment.
I then jacked up a rear wheel, engaged transmission and rocked the wheel back and forward while pulling backward with the other hand on the engine (partially suspended by cherry picker) to get the spline to match.
I. It worked fine.
Thanks everyone for all the fine suggestions.



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Jerry/MT

09-13-2004 10:49:29




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 Re: TO30 Clutch Alignment in reply to JAMES E. INMAN, 09-13-2004 08:27:50  
I have a TO-30 and have replaced the flywheel and the engine. The flywheel replacement was done using a floor jack under the engine and another floor jack under the transmission housing. The jacks held both "halves" in angular alignment when I slipped the tractor apart so it was easier to slip them back together. It still took an hour of fiddling to get the parts together.

When I replaced the engine, I used a small "shop crane" (cherry picker). Of the two methods, using the shop crane was more difficult because it was hard to get the transmission input shaft centerline angularlly aligned with the centerline of the clutch in both planes. But it can be done. It just takes some patience. Standback and look at the angle that the aft part of the machine makes with the crankshaft centerline and try jacking the aft part up or down and adjusting the engine til you get them to slip together. ( I'm presuming that you have the rear part of the machine on a jack of some sort.) Patience and trial and error are the key ingredients. Hope this helps

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