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Don M

09-03-2004 02:35:41




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It seems I read somewhere in these posts that you should use only non detergent 30 wt. oil in the TO-30.Yet my owners manual for the TO-30 says a detergent oil is better because it keeps the particles in suspension until the filter removes them. I think sometimes we believe in these old wives tales about oils. If detergent oil were to eat up the seals in these old engines why would the owners manual say its ok..??

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bobby16781

09-14-2004 17:03:56




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 Re: non-detergent oil in reply to Don M, 09-03-2004 02:35:41  
my father has used non-detergent oil in his 8n and has overhauled the engine four times in its life, it was a working tractor. straight 30w oil pours like honey in cold weather. which overhead valve type engines run without much oil in the valve gallery.until it warms up a bit. multi-viscosity (10w30) flows faster in cold weather.
it is detergent that makes the multi-viscosity. so there are other benefits. unless your engine is ready for a good overhaul, i doubt if you have enough sludge to do any harm. sludge usually comes from mixing oils in the crankcase, such as. crankcase had kendall oil when changed. next time oil was low, 1 qt valvoline, then the next, pennsoil. . .etc. or moisture in the oil due to setting around outside

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Jerry/MT

09-03-2004 18:53:48




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 Re: non-detergent oil in reply to Don M, 09-03-2004 02:35:41  
I have yet to see reliably documented evidence that detergent oil use will cause deposits loosen amd clog oil passages. Oh there are the people who have an oil system failure and blame it on a recent change to detergent oils. I have not hesitated to use modern detergent oils in old equipment and have never had an oil sytem failure, period. As you point out, the Ferguson manual obliquely recommends detergent oils by noting their favorable properties. But back in the fifties, it would have hurt their competitive position to "require" the slightly more expensive detergent HD oils so they said that the non-detergent oils were "satisfactory".
It's a free country and opinions are like belly buttons;everybody's got one!Seeing no credible evidence to the contrary, I will continue to use detergent oils.

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txblu

09-04-2004 17:04:10




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 Re: non-detergent oil in reply to Jerry/MT, 09-03-2004 18:53:48  
Me too. Even iffin they did dislodge sludge which I doubt as my association with it was with a putty knife trying to scrape it out, it would be removed at a miniscule rate.

I'm getting to the point where I ignore oil posts. Like religion, politics and oil. Wonder why there are 50 different brand/types of oil on the merchants shelf?

Mark



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Jeff-oh

09-03-2004 09:26:53




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 Re: non-detergent oil in reply to Don M, 09-03-2004 02:35:41  
You should use the oil recommended in your manual.

I do not believe the concern is whether det. oil will "eat up" seals... but rather that 1/2 a century of deposites can come loose and clog the cooling passages.

Jeff



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Gerald J.

09-04-2004 18:07:35




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 Re: non-detergent oil in reply to Jeff-oh, 09-03-2004 09:26:53  
Grunge loosened by detergent oil isn't going to foul the COOLING SYSTEM. It might foul the lubrication system....

On the other hand there are lots of other benefits to detergent oils, things like additives that prevent corrosion of copper base bearing metals, probably the most important for an engine that runs occasionally for not very long and can accumulate water condensed in the crankcase.

Gerald J.

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Ray,IN

09-07-2004 20:39:27




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 Re: non-detergent oil in reply to Gerald J., 09-04-2004 18:07:35  
I am one of those using non-detergent oil only. Dad began using it when the dealer sold it to him and said to use non-detergent oil. I'm not about to change now, it still uses very little oil between semi-annual oil changes. I've driven this tractor since 1953 and the engine has never been apart-yet. The latest compression figures are: #1=100,#2=100,#3=95,#4=97. I too have read the sentence allowing detergent oils. I suspect this originated from the section on the hyd/trans/diff. It says to use straight mineral oil (no additives) because it may not be compatable with the bronze and brass bushing in these areas. I'm still friends with the old mechanic that assembled my TO30 at the dealership and installed the hand clutch for live power. He still recommends non-detergent motor oil. My tractor+ my money=my way! As it should be for each person.

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