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Spark Plug for TED20 - 1950

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Simon

08-04-2004 10:45:25




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Can someone please tell me what kind of spark plugs I need for a TED20 - 1950.
If the originally plug isn�t available any more, is there a replacement?

Thanks a lot. Simon




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John (UK)

08-04-2004 11:08:09




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 Re: Spark Plug for TED20 - 1950 in reply to Simon, 08-04-2004 10:45:25  
The Original plug was Champion N7 then it was changed to N21, there is a Bosch plug W8CP the gap in all cases is .030" to .035" I haven't found an NGK equivelant yet but no doubt there is one.To run on TVO it's most important that you have the gap correctly set so it will burn the fuel. If you are just running it on petrol its not so important but it is advisable to use a lead additive in the fuel or you may do nasty things to the valves and cylinder head. Contact gap should be .010" - .012" make sure they open equally on all lobes of distributor cam and that there is no play in the distributor shaft bearing.
If you are running it on just petrol you could use the petrol plug which is Champion L10 or equivelant with a gap of .030" - .032"(it's a short reach plug but thats what they used) and strictly speaking you should remove the heat shield on the manifold.

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James, UK

08-04-2004 11:58:17




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 Re: Spark Plug for TED20 - 1950 in reply to John (UK), 08-04-2004 11:08:09  
John - when did they start adding lead to fuel to stop knock wasn't it the mid-late 60's? Only reason I'm asking is because I had a feeling 'our' Standard engines ran quite happily on unleaded as they had been designed to run on unleaded anyway - TVO never had any lead in as far as I know, and the only reason we add a dash of petrol to the paraffin is to help ignition.

Can you advise? Thanks

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John (UK)

08-04-2004 12:28:59




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 Re: Spark Plug for TED20 - 1950 in reply to James, UK, 08-04-2004 11:58:17  
Hi James, Glad you mailed I wanted to contact you anyway about something else. Can't remember when they added the lead, but I have been told a few times now about this lead thing and the Standard engine, I can't say for sure about it and I didn't think it was worth the risk of not telling him for what it will cost. The reason given to me wasn't so much the anti-knock thing but was more to lubricate the valves and guides, it's the same with all these old cars were they have soft valve seats too, they should have lead added. Anyway the other matter, last year you were asking about settings for a control box on your tractor, did you ever get it sorted out, I do have the new Service Manual now and if you still need info I can give it to you, just let me know the model of the box. Regards..John

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Jim W

08-04-2004 13:43:10




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 Re: Spark Plug for TED20 - 1950 in reply to John (UK), 08-04-2004 12:28:59  
I thought I remmebered reading someplace that the line from the rocker cover to the intake manifold allowed enough oily air through to lubricate the valves. ??
Conventional "wisdom" here is to run them without lead, and then put in valve seats if and when they recede. If you do it now you're just spending your money earlier, and maybe even unnecessarily.
Jim



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John (UK)

08-04-2004 14:21:51




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 Re: Spark Plug for TED20 - 1950 in reply to Jim W, 08-04-2004 13:43:10  
Yes Jim you did read that, it relates to the carburettor version of the Standard Engines. It's just that a couple of times recently leaded and unleaded fuel has cropped up and whether to add or not. They do advise adding some lead additive to old cars so why not old tractor engines.Its supposed to prolong the life of the valve seats which aren't hardened. I will try to dig out some info on that if I can find it again.

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Robert B, UK

08-05-2004 08:20:58




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 Re: Spark Plug for TED20 - 1950 in reply to John (UK), 08-04-2004 14:21:51  
John, James,

Thought I would add my two-penneth on the Lead debate having had it from both the old cars I have (one 1954, one 1968). The concensus is that valve seat recesion only happens when engines exceed 3500 rpm. I run the 1950's machine, like my TED, on unleaded as this level of rpm is rarely used. The other car I use an additive, but I have to say I have not actually heard of anyone having to reseat their valves as a result of not using leaded or lead additives - yet!

On the sparkpluk front, I just pop-down my local motor factors who give me some Denso R7 equivalents - can't remember the number though.

Keep up the excellent advice.

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James, UK

08-05-2004 09:33:54




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 Re: Spark Plug for TED20 - 1950 in reply to Robert B, UK, 08-05-2004 08:20:58  
Sorry folks - I kind of hijacked that thread!!

I must admit that I am in favour of unleaded, for historical and other reasons. When I had the head rebuilt the company did say (when I asked them to make sure I had seats in for unleaded) that it was not necessary as the engine was pre-lead anyway.

The same company also added 'self-lubricating' valve guides when the head was rebuilt.

Yes, you are quite right that there is a scavenging system for oil vapour from the rocker cover to the inlet manifold, and yes it will help lubricate the inlet valve guides 'downhill' of the oil in the rocker cover.

John (UK) I did manage to sort out the control valve setting in the end - I followed the instructions on the Holland-Brand website, and also looked carefully at the geometry of the plough and top link.

My feeling is that the plough is a bodge of a 3 furrow to a two furrow, and is Cat II to Cat I converted - none too well.

Upshot is that the top link angle was incorrect, causing pressure on the top link mechanism when the plough was lifted out of the ground, leading to the valve being operated to 'lift' the plough - consequently when the plough was lifted out of the ground, it wouldn't drop it again.

Simple really, it just took a while to figure it out.

Thanks all.

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John (UK)

08-05-2004 10:21:25




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 Re: Spark Plug for TED20 - 1950 in reply to James, UK, 08-05-2004 09:33:54  
Hi James, Thanks for clearing up the hyd problem, we are having this quite a lot lately exactly same thing. BUT I wasn"t referring to that I meant your electrical control box settings, you were having problems for a while and no-one seemed to have the info for you. I just wondered if you did need more info now I have the latest Manual from MF..



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James, UK

08-05-2004 12:04:53




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 Re: Spark Plug for TED20 - 1950 in reply to John (UK), 08-05-2004 10:21:25  
Oh yes, I remember now - I managed to get hold of an out of print book called 'Automobile Electrical Manual' published by Haynes, written by A. Tranter and it contains all the info you need to test and reset/adjust a control box.

Also, I came across some info courtesy of the Minor Owners' club, on control boxes.

Basically, the bottom line is that they are set to operate at different temperatures, so mucking around with their insides on a trial basis is not advised - if it ain't working, replace it is very much the message.

That said, I intend at some point in the future to write an article for FOFH to explain how it should be done - but when that will be I don't know - it's been in the 'Planning' phase for over a year already!!!

Thanks for your email re 732 Mower manual - a chap tried to sell me one for 20 GBP, that's half what I paid for the mower and I want to use it, not leave it on a shelf in it's wrapper!

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John (UK)

08-05-2004 12:18:51




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 Re: Spark Plug for TED20 - 1950 in reply to James, UK, 08-05-2004 12:04:53  

I just looked on this site and the price is as below there is one listed but I don't know if its a 732 or not. They print them themselves with the blessing of MF and they supply genuine TE spares again direct from MF. Is MF getting its act together at last?
http://www.holland-brand.co.uk/shopdisplayproducts.asp?id=267&cat=Implement+Instruction+Books �11.02



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