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TO30..NO oil pressure

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LeeinMo

07-20-2004 05:29:11




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I was using my TO30 to brush hog a couple of days ago and all was fine, let it set for the couple of days and when I started it yesterday, I have NO oil pressure. I pulled the oil line to the gage at the block and nothing. I worked her pretty hard while mowing, but nothing that should have hurt anything. I have always maintained about 15 pounds of pressure. I changed the oil and filter and still nothing.
Anyone have any suggestions?
Thanks!!
Lee

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TO30inMo

07-25-2004 14:04:31




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 Re: TO30..NO oil pressure in reply to LeeinMo, 07-20-2004 05:29:11  
Okay. Found the problem. THe aluminum drive gear on the front of th pump was spinning freely. It looks like they never drilled or inserted the set scres as there was no hole for one.

Thanks to everyone for their input!
Lee



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James, UK

07-20-2004 12:01:56




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 Re: TO30..NO oil pressure in reply to LeeinMo, 07-20-2004 05:29:11  
I don't know what its like on a Continental engine, but if you can access the oil pressure relief valve reasonably easily, it would be worth checking it isn't stuck in the 'Full Relief' position - so everything your pump produced would be bypassing the oilways and going straight back into the sump.

If it was holding 15 psi when you shut down, it sounds like a stuck valve somewhere in the oil system, in or near the filter (at least, on a Standard engine it is).

Measure any positions of pressure and relief adjusting screws before you unscrew everything - that way you can return it all to roughly where it was when you are finished, and can be sure that you aren't too far wrong. Either measure from the casting to the top of the screw/bolt or count the number of turns to undo it - reassembly is the reverse of removal, as they say.

A spring with a ball bearing on the end of it can stick in a bore - it only takes a bit of dirt to stop it doing its thing. Likewise the 'bucket' type valve will also stick if there is wear in the bore, or dirt.

HTH

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LeeinMo

07-21-2004 04:37:32




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 Re: Re: TO30..NO oil pressure in reply to James, UK, 07-20-2004 12:01:56  
James,
Thanks for the info. I dropped the oil pan and cleaned the relief valve and nothing, it does not seem to be picking up anything. I blew air through the oil pressure gage inlet in the block and still nothing. There is still no oil in the filter either. Sounds like maybe the next step is to pull the oil pump?
Thanks again!
Lee



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gshadel

07-21-2004 11:34:53




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 Re: Re: Re: TO30..NO oil pressure in reply to LeeinMo, 07-21-2004 04:37:32  
I agree with the other guys. Check the oil pick-up tube real good, and make sure the compression fitting to the pump is good so the pump will pull oil, not air. Check that the pump gears turn with the engine. Be careful when you pull that side plate off the pump. The old gaskets were made out of soft lead, they tear real easy. If you ruin the gasket, you will need a new one. The aluminum drive gear on the pump is held in place with a small set screw. I suppose it is possible the gear might strip out and just be spinning on the pump shaft. The relief valve on the bottom of the pump is just a spring and a plunger, held in place by a pin that is easy to pull and check. If you have to replace the drive gear, or any other parts, you are probably better off to just rebuild the pump. I think the rebuild kit cost maybe $30. Kit includes everything except the pump housing, side plate, and the pick-up tube components.
Check it out and give us an update.

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Jerry/MT

07-21-2004 10:28:42




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 Re: Re: Re: TO30..NO oil pressure in reply to LeeinMo, 07-21-2004 04:37:32  
Make sure the pick up tube doesn't have a crack or leak in it. That'll cause the pump to loose prime.



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James, UK

07-21-2004 04:51:48




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 Re: Re: Re: TO30..NO oil pressure in reply to LeeinMo, 07-21-2004 04:37:32  
Before you pull the pump properly, remove its cover so you can see the rotors inside it - and get someone to turn the engine over on the handle - you should see the rotors moving at 1/4 cranking speed.

No movement would indicate a sheared pump drive shaft (again, on the Standard engine this shaft is driven off the base of the distributor drive) - but as you have ignition/spark etc, then the problem will lie (probably) with the tongue that engages with the distributor drive - it may have sheared off.

Off the top of my head I cannot remember if the tongue is on the distributor drive or the pump shaft - I think it may be on the dizzy.

There isn't much else that can cause this problem to occur - and it is probably just due to old age rather than something you have done.

I'm puzzled the filter is empty - it should have at least a filter full of oil in it. Are there any relief valves on the filter body you can check, too?

HTH

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LeeinMo

07-21-2004 09:21:01




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: TO30..NO oil pressure in reply to James, UK, 07-21-2004 04:51:48  
No other relieve valves I saw. The oil pump looks like it is driven from the gear on the crank or timing gears, but the drive gear could still be shear or the cogs ground off, will have to try that approach. the filter was empty only because I changed it, being this is a TO30 the filter is on the outside of the block and not in the oil pan like the 20's. The bolts on the crank are still wired, so I am hoping this engine has never been touched on the inside as well.

Thanks again,

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James, UK

07-21-2004 14:48:34




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: TO30..NO oil pressure in reply to LeeinMo, 07-21-2004 09:21:01  
LeeinMo, I am now at the stage where my knowledge of the Continental engines has expired - I've never worked on one, so my comments have been based on the Standard engine - obviously there are differences which the other guys have pointed out - so follow their advices.

From what they have said it makes good sense to check the pick up tube - I have a feeling that 'our' Standard engine does not have the same problems with losing prime - never come across it so far.

Good luck with tracking down the problem.

Over and out on this one.

James, UK

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