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TO-20 Problem

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Clint

06-20-2004 18:10:49




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I have been debating over which type of job to do on my TO-20 since it is using a considerable amount of oil, and loosing power. I did a compression check and got anywhere from 85-90lbs per cylinder added a little oil to each cylinder and it went up 5-10 lbs. per cylinder. So if I pulled the head and had a valve job done or should I just go ahead and do an in-frame rebuild. Or is there any other type of testing that I can do in order to determine the exact problem.

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gshadel

06-21-2004 06:26:52




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 Re: TO-20 Problem in reply to Clint, 06-20-2004 18:10:49  
Clint, I just went through this same exercise last Winter. My TO had always burned oil pretty good, had 75-80 PSI compression also. Ran it for years that way.
If your TO runs good, and you don't mind pumping cheap oil in her, and cleaning your plugs a lot.... run her.
There is not a whole lot more you can do from the outside. I recommend pulling the head, dropping the oil pan, and pulling a piston or two to see what's going on in there. Sounds like a big job, but actually you can tear down that much in a few hours.
You can turn your engine head upside down, pour some gas in each cylinder hole, let it set 10-15 minutes to see if your valves are holding tight. Assuming you have a manual, you can check your rings, cylinder, and piston tolerances for wear, look for scoring in the cylinders, etc.

I recommend not buy any parts until you have a full scope of your intended work. I started out thinking I would just tinker with a few things, but the deaper I looked, the more I wanted to do. I bought some specific gaskets first, then a lower rebuild kit, then a full gasket set, then a valve rebuild kit, then a water pump, then this, that and another. I had overlapping gaskets from the different sets, and probably spent more money than I needed had I just decided up front what I was going to do, shopped around, and ordered parts once. Good Luck !

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Jerry/MT

06-20-2004 20:01:19




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 Re: TO-20 Problem in reply to Clint, 06-20-2004 18:10:49  
Well the fact that you got a 5-10 psi rise in compression with oil says there is some wear on the rings. What was the condition of your valves? If they were leaky that could account for some of the compression loss. 85-90 psi dry doesn't sound all that bad for a low compression ratio(6.5:1) engine, though. If it were below 80 psi I'd recommend rings. What does your oil pressure look like? If your hot oil presure is also low (around 15 psi)and your valves weren't bad, you might want to consider rings and bearings. If your oil pressure is high (22-25 psi), I'd be tempted to put the head on and run it to see how it goes. It's a tough call, with out more information. I hope this helps you.

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When you checked...Jerry/

06-21-2004 21:31:54




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 Re: Re: TO-20 Problem in reply to Jerry/MT, 06-20-2004 20:01:19  
When you checked the compression did you have the throttle plate on the carb wide open? If you didn't, you'll get low readings.



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James

06-20-2004 19:33:20




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 Re: TO-20 Problem in reply to Clint, 06-20-2004 18:10:49  
Clint,

You can pull the head for the valve job and then take a goog look at the piston/rings and walls. If the pistons and rings look real or if the walls a scored real bad then do a full overhaul. If you want to take the oil pan off you can look at the bearings and rods. If the is a lot of slap in them the for sure do a complete over haul. Just a couple of thoughts.

James



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