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to-20 no compression

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Chris Carter

04-27-2004 20:40:55




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I have a to-20.I just took the block apart and had it pinned.I first installed the cam gear in the wrong spot and tried to start it. After i got a book i read about meshing the gears together properly but I dont have compression and i dont know if I hurt it the first time or what. WHAT ARE ALL THE POSSIBLE REASONS FOR NO COMPRESSION.




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Chris Carter

04-28-2004 07:42:59




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 Re: to-20 no compression in reply to Chris Carter, 04-27-2004 20:40:55  
I just checked compression at all plugs and I have compression on the 2 & 3 pistons but not on the 1 & 4. What could the possibillities be that cause this problem.What should I do. I can replace the valves, springs and push rods for $125. Could there be other problems causing this to loose compression.



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gshadel

04-28-2004 13:04:30




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 Re: Re: to-20 no compression in reply to Chris Carter, 04-28-2004 07:42:59  
My recollection is that pistons 1&4 both have the same throw on the crank, so do 2&3, so 1&4 are both going up at the same time, and so are 2&3. So it sounds interesting that 1&4 have no compression and 2&3 have compression. Sounds like a valve timing, or valve or pushrod damage problem.

I had an engine one time where the key in the crankshaft gear broke, the crank gear would slip on the crankshaft and throw the timing out. Took me a loooong time to figure that one out.

I hope turning the engine by hand, and watching the valve and piston action help you figure out the problem. If pushrods are bent, probably need to pull the head and check the valves and pistons real good. I have seen dropped valves punch holes right thru those aluminum pistons.
Hopefully it is something fairly simple, and fairly cheap to fix.

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Justin-PA

04-28-2004 10:08:14




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 Re: Re: to-20 no compression in reply to Chris Carter, 04-28-2004 07:42:59  
1. Did you re-install all 4 pistons with good rings and liners? If you re-used the old liners and rings, at the very minimum you should have made sure they all went back in the same holes they came out.

2. Did you use a new head gasket? Is the head torqued properly?

3. When you had the head off, did you check the valves and pistons for signs of damage (after the incident with bad cam timing)?

Since you had compression on 2 & 3 (was it good, or weak?), here is what I would try next:

Remove the valve cover and spark plugs. Put a large wrench on the crankshaft nut. Turn the engine very slowly and watch the action of the valves (all you can see is rocker arms, valve stems, and push rod). Starting at #1 cylinder, make sure all of the valves are being opened correctly. This is the order of opening for 2 revolutions of the crank:

#1 Int and #3 Exh
#3 Int and #4 Exh
#4 Int and #2 Exh
#2 Int and #1 Exh If it becomes more difficult to turn the crank, note which valves are being opened/closed. Check that the valves close fully after being opened. Check the valve lash (.014 Hot). It should be apparent if you have valves stuck open, especially on #1 and #4. If you find valve problems, you need to rebuild the valve train/head.

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Ray,IN

04-27-2004 21:25:20




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 Re: to-20 no compression in reply to Chris Carter, 04-27-2004 20:40:55  
Do you mean you cannot measure/record any compression in any cylinder? The only reasons for absolutly no measurable compression in any cylinder are: all valves being held open, pistons missing. This is assuming the head is installed. Even if the cam gear was installed incorrectly and some of the valves were bent, at least one cylinder would still have measurable compression. Good luck with fixing your engine.

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Chris Carter

04-28-2004 05:40:53




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 Re: Re: to-20 no compression in reply to Ray,IN, 04-27-2004 21:25:20  
I only checked the #1 piston for compression. I just took the head off and the push rods were somewhat crooked some more than others.Could this have been caused when the cam gear was incorrectly allined and could this be the reason it does not start.



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Justin-PA

04-28-2004 06:35:40




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 Re: Re: Re: to-20 no compression in reply to Chris Carter, 04-28-2004 05:40:53  
If you installed the cam gear out of time, when the engine was spinning (you trying to start it) the valves could have been hitting the piston (because they were open at the wrong time). This would cause bent valves and/or push rods. How far off was the cam gear? A few gear teeth? More? Maybe you should have a professional look at the valve train and head. If you are going to do this yourself, get all of the manuals and videos you can, sit down and study them closely, and then proceed with the rebuild carefully.

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Chris Carter

04-28-2004 07:15:45




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: to-20 no compression in reply to Justin-PA, 04-28-2004 06:35:40  
The cam gear was off several teeth but I am not sure how many. What else cold the problem be if the valves are good.



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