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Jeff-oh, position control

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JD

03-08-2004 09:57:33




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Hi Jeff, a few day's ago there was a discussion here about position controls.....for the TO's in particular.... I tried to contact Steve in Australia about his, as it was suppose to be less visable on the Ferguson. They have since quite selling outside of the UK, something about export lic. or something.

I went back to your post and you were talking about a home-made control and the Zane Tahng. Your opinion please as to the better of the 2, and I would be interested if you decide to have those parts fabricated for the home made control.

Thanks for the info.

JD

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Ralph

03-09-2004 09:07:02




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 Re: Jeff-oh, position control in reply to JD, 03-08-2004 09:57:33  
The home-made system you describe looks very similiar to the Earth Equipment Corp. "Equalizer" Position Control(Link to pictures attached)that came with my 54 TO30. It uses a friction disk (cork) and a pressure spring, as well as a threaded rod to attach to the quadrant lever, and the unit bolts to a flange as pictured in photo #3. (yes I know the tractor is red, that will be corrected soon!)It also has an easy stop adjustment so that it will lower to the same height after raising.

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Jeff-OH

03-10-2004 05:26:39




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 Re: Re: Jeff-oh, position control in reply to Ralph, 03-09-2004 09:07:02  
Ralph that is awasome. I have never seen anything like it before. From the discussions it is like position control was never available before 1997.

What does the top line say? "Positive _____ control" The spring is in the way.

Thanks for your post.



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Ralph

03-10-2004 10:05:47




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 Re: Re: Re: Jeff-oh, position control in reply to Jeff-OH, 03-10-2004 05:26:39  
OOOPS---correction, it says "Positive Depth Control" but does the same thing.....keeps it exactly where you want it!



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Ralph

03-10-2004 10:03:04




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 Re: Re: Re: Jeff-oh, position control in reply to Jeff-OH, 03-10-2004 05:26:39  
It says Positive Position Control. I didn't know what it was when I took it off because the link was missing the attachment piece that goes on the quadrant lever, so it was hanging loose and in my way, and at the time I bought the tractor I didn't know I needed position control. I have tried to find any info on this company but beyond the patent application have drawn blanks. If I recall correctly the patent application date was 1953. What is truly puzzling is that it took so long for someone to come up with something similiar, but then I guess once position control became standard on tractors there was no need to retrofit what are now our cherished "collectables"

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Fergy Man

03-08-2004 23:56:48




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 Re: Jeff-oh, position control in reply to JD, 03-08-2004 09:57:33  
I have a Fergy Positioner which I got from Stephen in Australia and there wasn't any problem in him sending out here to the US. He does have a distribuitor for the UK only. I suggest you contacthim via his web site.



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JD

03-09-2004 07:00:47




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 Re: Re: Jeff-oh, position control in reply to Fergy Man, 03-08-2004 23:56:48  
Thanks Fergie, I did try Steves web site, and e-mail. I also tried his brother's e-mail listed on the web site. both my messages were sent back un-deliverable, so I went to the other link,the Holland-? link in the UK, that's the one that will only sell in the UK. Sorry for the mis-information.

Thanks JD



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Jeff-Oh

03-08-2004 14:27:04




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 Re: Jeff-oh, position control in reply to JD, 03-08-2004 09:57:33  
third party image

I will start by stating that I have never seen a Zane Thang. He asks his customers to not post pictures of his product. Presumeably because it is fairly simple to fabricate. However, from following the posts, I believe I understand how he solves the problem.

I believe he fixes a cam to the lift arm using the two bolts holding the dust cover. This is attached to a rod that points forward and goes through a receiver attached to the control lever. Once the desired position is obtained, a thumb screw is used to lock the rod so it no longer slides. Now the control lever and the lift are linked and position control is achieved.

The system provided in the N-newsletter uses a system that has a fixed rod length and a friction fit for the cam. Thus, the angle of the cam varies to provide the desired position.

As with all systems each has its pors and cons.

My preferance is the latter as it is a hands off setting system. i.e. move le control lever and hold it until the lift gets to the desired position, then let go. You do not have to reach under the seat to lock the rod in place. Another pro is that you can chang the position at will. You do not have to unlock the rod to reposition. This could be a major plus if you have to lift a blade to avoid a stump or other object.

The con to this system is the friction disk. It could be touchy to set. You have to set the friction (tighten the nut compressing the spring) so that it will not slip to a new position when the lift moves or because of vibration. Yet, not so much friction the the control lever is hard to move to set it.

Zane's Thang's biggest con to me is the perceived difficulty to lock the rod inplace while on the move and operating, and the loss of an emergancy override. Again, I have never seen a "Thang" and I am only guessing as to how it works.

As for my recommendation. If you are at all handy, you can easily build the N-Newsletter system. If you don't want to take the time or the trouble Zane's controller is $75 or $80. and apparently is easy to put on.

If you provide you e-mail I can send you pictures and a measured drawing of the position controler pictured.

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Gene Stevens OH - Tx

08-22-2004 16:26:54




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 Re: Re: Jeff-oh, position control in reply to Jeff-Oh, 03-08-2004 14:27:04  
Jeff, can you send me the drawing with measurements? I was not able to read what you have posted. Thanks



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Steve NE

03-09-2004 07:01:03




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 Re: Re: Jeff-oh, position control in reply to Jeff-Oh, 03-08-2004 14:27:04  
Would love to have the pictures and measured drawings. [email protected]



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JD

03-09-2004 06:55:29




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 Re: Re: Jeff-oh, position control in reply to Jeff-Oh, 03-08-2004 14:27:04  
Jeff, thanks so much for the responce. I thought the same as you, and was happy to see your post about the do it yourself application ( I'm a tinkerer, and while I don't have a machine shop at my finger tips, I do pretty good at sticking things together). I would love to see the measured drawings you refer to.

Thanks again for the help [email protected]



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Crem

03-08-2004 20:59:22




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 Re: Re: Jeff-oh, position control in reply to Jeff-Oh, 03-08-2004 14:27:04  
The Zane Thang is very easy to operate. After I installed mine, the only thing that I adjust is the quadrant handle. There is nothing to lock in place. It works very well and the rod that goes towards the rear is very handy to move to adjust the height when attaching an implement. I can stand behind the rear tire and reach the rod to move it to adjust the lower linkage so that it lines up with the implement attaching point. This feature in itself is a big plus for me. It makes hooking up an implement a breeze.

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Bob in va

03-09-2004 13:30:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Jeff-oh, position control in reply to Crem, 03-08-2004 20:59:22  
Hi JEff I have the zane thing and love it
It is easy to install and really works great
Wouldn't trade it for my money back bob in va



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