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TEA20 won't start

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John from Ontar

01-26-2004 18:27:15




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I have a TEA20 that won't start. I tried starting it in the cold but the battery was low so then I tried boosting it but it still wouldn't start. The gas seems to be running out of the carborator. I think maybe I flooded it. So I left it for awhile but it still won't go. I checked the spark plugs and the points and there seems to be lots of fire there. I took the carborator off and took it to the local MF dealer. He said the needle is not sticking. He will check it. Maybe my valves are sticking?? I did a valve job two years ago. The tractor has always started great until now. Any ideas?? Help, we are expecting a snow fall and I need my tractor to plow!!!!!

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John from Ontario

01-29-2004 17:35:38




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 Re: TEA20 won't start in reply to John from Ontario, 01-26-2004 18:27:15  
Hi everybody.Somebody told me today that maybe my pistons are dried out from flooding the first day.He said something about not having enough compression when this happens.He told me to shoot some WD 4O in to the plug holes.Does this work?Is he right?Going to work on it this weekend.This guy works at the MF place. P.S I heard today that the Spirt rover found remains of a TEA20 on mars.If this is true the martains are smarter then I thought or maybe not.By the way are any of you guys from Ontario?

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Jim W

01-30-2004 18:24:25




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 Re: Re: TEA20 won't start in reply to John from Ontario, 01-29-2004 17:35:38  
I get what he means but I don't buy that "dry piston" theory as you said before that it would start and then die out. Easy enough thing to try though, so you can rule it out. Do you have a compression gauge? Might be worth doing a wet and dry compression check; this could differentiate between worn rings and valve problems.
I think that Martian TEA probably couldn't make the return trip due to a fault in the Lucas electrical system....
Jim
PS I am in the east end of Ontario.

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Tim D

01-28-2004 19:45:10




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 Re: TEA20 won't start in reply to John from Ontario, 01-26-2004 18:27:15  
I have a similar problem and I thought it was the ignition switch. To check, I put a jumper wire on the back of the switch, but nothing. I checked and don't appear to even have spark coming out of the coil. I just ran it a couiple days ago and it ran like a top. It is still a 6V system and the wires appear to be in good shape. Starter turns over just fine and keeps flooding. HELP! I'm stuck. I would like to upgrade to a 12V system some day, but I can't afford a complete rewire yet. Up until now, I have never had a single problem starting except for a bad battery.

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Tim D

02-05-2004 09:19:21




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 Re: Re: TEA20 won't start in reply to Tim D, 01-28-2004 19:45:10  
After doing some checking with a buddy, the problem did turn out to be the ignition switch. I must not have been getting a good enough connection with my jumper wire on the back of the bad switch. I temporarily replaced it with a simple toggle switch until I can get a regular keyed switch. I'm up and running just fine again. Any advice or any thing special I should consider when getting a replacement switch? I called some local parts stores and they say they have a "universal" switch, just not sure what to get or not to get. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks.

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John from Ontario

01-28-2004 19:14:56




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 Re: TEA20 won't start in reply to John from Ontario, 01-26-2004 18:27:15  
Never had time to work on the tractor tonight. The gas is running out of the carborator but the plugs seem to be dry. When the engine is turning over there is a gurgling sound coming from the radiator and even after the engine stops turning over. Could be a head gasket? The antifreeze looks pretty oily. My neighbour thinks it's the valves. What about the timing chain? The head gasket and the valves were done three years ago. I hope not. Maybe it's just in the wiring. I'll have to do some wrenching this weekend. Could it be the battery not turning the engine over fast enough to start?? It seems to be turning over fast enough!! Jim W: I'll send the serial numbers soon. No problem. Thanks to everybody for the help so far.
PS Mr. Chapp : I'll bet it's colder here.

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NCtim

01-29-2004 14:46:04




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 Re: Re: TEA20 won't start in reply to John from Ontario, 01-28-2004 19:14:56  
Gurgling in the radiator with oil present is a very bad sign. You said earlier that you had great compression, this might not be urgent but you;ll have to attend to it. I think your spark might be off.

Try taking the air filter off first. See if it's clogged. Then before you spend a ton of money buy an electronic ignition from this site. I had a similar problem as yours and the new electronic ignition from Genesee works like a champ. You can crank the motor by hand and start her.

BTW, after heckling you about being so cold I woke to a 14 F morning. Man, I can't even get away with a joke.

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Mr Chapp

01-28-2004 17:21:43




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 Re: TEA20 won't start in reply to John from Ontario, 01-26-2004 18:27:15  
Hey john from the frozen north... most people blame the fuel system. Why??? Don't know!!! The fire at the plug, or from the coil to ground should have a bluish tint to it. I would REPLACE the points and condenser {set the gap properly...about the thickness of a match book cover)have to assume you know how, on the high part of the 4 lobes} If youre still flooding, shut off the petcock at the bowl and try again. This should eliminate fuel, or spark. Good luck, have fun.. P.S. it's 24 degrees f in Tallahassee F.L tonight...warm hugh???

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John from Ontario

01-27-2004 19:04:44




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 Re: TEA20 won't start in reply to John from Ontario, 01-26-2004 18:27:15  
Thanks for the suggestions. Got my carborator back all rebuilt. Put it back on tonight. Still won't start. It sputtered for a second like it wanted to start but then stopped. It is still flooding itself. I checked the ignition wiring visually, can't seem to find anything. Still need suggestions!!!
PS It's been converted to a 12 volt system.



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Jim W

01-27-2004 19:49:34




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 Re: Re: TEA20 won't start in reply to John from Ontario, 01-27-2004 19:04:44  
Still flooding as in gas coming out of the carb? or just plugs getting wet? If it's just plugs getting wet maybe you're back to ignition. Sometimes what looks like a good spark with the plug out will be weak when under compression. In this case I would suspect the coil or condenser since it would be common across the four cylinders.
When it's cold sometimes I will take the plugs in the house and warm them up on the woodstove; it can really make a difference in an otherwise borderline situation.
Jim
PS Would you be willing to give me your serial numbers and transmission date code to add to my database?

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NCtim

01-27-2004 15:43:42




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 Re: TEA20 won't start in reply to John from Ontario, 01-26-2004 18:27:15  
Hey John,

You think maybe it might be too cold up there? It's my experience that nothing much grows above the Mason-Dixon line in the winter so whatever farming you got to do can wait until spring. If it's your driveway you're worried about I'd just get a snomobile to run down and get the mail. I know I try never to go out when it's below 50 degrees so I don't know if my tractors start below that. They always start right up in the spring, though, after sitting for two or three months if it's freezing.

Now to be a little serious for a moment, I can see if you were out of beer and had to run to town, then you'd need that baby to clear the drive, but I guess that doesn't matter seein' as how you got to the tractor mechanic. Your oil might be a big blob of caramel. I'd be careful not to spin a rod bearing. Or worse yet, freeze to death out playing in the snow.

Hahaha, just having fun with you guys up in "Tundra-Land."

Hope it's something simple like a little moisture frozen in the float chamber, which, by-the-way, the mechanic won't find if he's warmed the carb above 25 degrees. Put some dry-gas or similar product in your tank and let it drain thru the carb for a second. Then give it a shot of starter fluid and see how she does. Any varnish build up from old gas is going to be hard as a rock below 10 degrees, also. Try cleaning the carb in a parts cleaner to remove any build up of gum and varnish.

Good Luck! (Brrrrr! Getting down below 30 degrees again here tonight.) :-)

NCtim

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Jim W

01-26-2004 19:41:58




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 Re: TEA20 won't start in reply to John from Ontario, 01-26-2004 18:27:15  
If the gas is running out of the carb the needle is not closing. It could be that the float is sticking in the float bowl and not lifting the needle, or it isn't floating too well due to a leak.
Whenever this has happened to me it has been due to dirt in the fuel ending up in the float bowl.
When this happens the gas can actually rise up into the manifold, then into the cylinders, and past your rings into the oil, all by gravity. Your engine can get a really good rinse and your oil can get thin enough to flow even in these temperatures :) I'd suggest taking the carb off and giving it a good cleaning. While you're in there check if your float has a leak - put in in a pot of hot water and see if air bubbles come out.
Be really careful taking it apart as the gasket is delicate.
Or maybe you are saying the carb is presently at at the dealer? If so I think he will solve it.
Jim from Ontario

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Brian McDonald

01-27-2004 14:46:20




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 Re: Re: TEA20 won't start in reply to Jim W, 01-26-2004 19:41:58  
I had a similar problem with my tea 20-85,It was the ignition switch had a broken wire.The tractor would turn over and I would flood the carb..check the wires at the back of youre ignition.Brian



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