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TE vs. TEA -JimW Please Teach Me.

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Jeff-OH

09-29-2003 12:54:07




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In the resent post "TE.TO.20" Jim W gave a brief discussion of the differences in the two lines and states that the TEA's are some time called TE's. Adding to the confussion.

JimW's statement was confussing to me. Are there TE###### searial numbers that had the standard engine? Or are all standard engine -20's TEA's?

What are the differences in the TE and the TEA's beside engine?

How is the Standard engine marked? How is it different from the contenential?

My own local repair shop guy thinks all TE's are really TEA's. I would like to correct him before he does work on my TE and puts on TEA parts.

Jeff-Oh

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john(UK)

10-01-2003 16:04:43




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 Re: TE vs. TEA -JimW Please Teach Me. in reply to Jeff-OH, 09-29-2003 12:54:07  
TE20 and TO20 difference..TE20 could have either Continental Z120 engine or Standard Motors 80mm or 85mm engine, TO20 always had Continental Z120 engine.TE20 had gearbox housing made of Magnesium Electron (like Aluminium) TO20 had a cast iron gearbox housing. TE was built in Coventry UK and TO was built in Detroit USA Lucas electrics on TE and Delco electrics on TO.
TE20 with Standard engines had a third letter to denote the model, it was TEA if it had a Standard Motors petrol engine.All Standard Motors engined Tractors had a third letter only continental engined versions had TE only.
Engine number for Standard engines is stamped in left side of cylinder block between ignition coil and engine oil filler. Engine numbers have prefix S and then varies depending on fuel used and compression ratio. Continental engines have number on a plate rivetted to cylinder block on left side, starting with Z120 for TO20 and Z129 for TO30. Standard engine has external oil filter

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Jim W

10-02-2003 05:02:53




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 Re: Re: TE vs. TEA -JimW Please Teach Me. in reply to john(UK), 10-01-2003 16:04:43  
John,
Do you know the meaning of the second letter in the TEA engine serial number? I think I have one tractor that starts with just S and then numbers, and a couple others start with SC or maybe SE. Thsse are all gasoline engines, and all 85 mm.
Thanks,
Jim



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john(UK)

10-04-2003 06:26:34




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 Re: Re: Re: TE vs. TEA -JimW Please Teach Me. in reply to Jim W, 10-02-2003 05:02:53  
Hi Jim. Got an answer for you regarding those engine numbers. It was all because of numbering problems with vaporising oil engines and their numbers overtaking the numbers of the petrol (gas) engine ones, so they prefixed the later ones with SC instead of S. (SC1E - SC102519E) At the same time they changed the numbering on the Lamp oil engined models to (SB1E - SB13000E)



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john(UK)

10-02-2003 11:43:34




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 Re: Re: Re: TE vs. TEA -JimW Please Teach Me. in reply to Jim W, 10-02-2003 05:02:53  
Hi Jim, Sorry I have never seen one numbered like that only ones with numbers after the "S" prefix. It could be high altitude engines with different compression ratios, but I am just guessing, I will make some enquiries and get back to you. We wouldnt have high altitude engines in UK



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Jim W

09-30-2003 13:07:22




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 Re: TE vs. TEA -JimW Please Teach Me. in reply to Jeff-OH, 09-29-2003 12:54:07  
Are there TE###### searial numbers that had the standard engine? -no, anything with a Standard engine has a third letter - TEA, TED, TEF, TET, etc, followed by numbers.

Or are all standard engine -20's TEA's?
-yes, if they run on gasoline and are the usual width. There were also models that ran on diesel, lamp oil, and tractor vaporising oil, models that were narrower widths, and commercial and industrial versions, but we hardly saw any of these in North America.

What are the differences in the TE and the TEA's beside engine?
-I mentioned rear brakes before; can't think of anything else right now but maybe someone else can chime in.

How is the Standard engine marked? How is it different from the contenential?
-The Standard engine has the coil mounted vertically just back from the distributor. The serial number of the engine is just to the right of the right hand bolt that holds the coil in place. On a Continental the coil is horizontal, over the starter. I don't know much about Continentals; I have only had Standards. There are many people on this message board with Continentals in their TO20s that can help you there.

My own local repair shop guy thinks all TE's are really TEA's. I would like to correct him before he does work on my TE and puts on TEA parts.
-Good luck if he tries. It's like saying a Ford is a Chrysler. If he really insists maybe you can tell him that sometime in the past someone put a TO20 engine in it. Your motor should have Z120 somewhere in the casting, which is the Continental model # of that engine.

Check the following website for the models:
Jim W

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Jeff-oh

09-30-2003 15:31:31




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 Re: Re: TE vs. TEA -JimW Please Teach Me. in reply to Jim W, 09-30-2003 13:07:22  
Thanks Jim,

I guess I just got thrown by the statement of my local repair guy, and the comment. As I have never seen a TEA etc. I didn't know the differences.

I do indeed have a contential engine and have seen the referance you provided.

Thanks again.
Jeff



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