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TEA crown wheel size

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Jim W

09-18-2003 12:41:43




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After removing the old crown wheel from the differential carrier by grinding the heads off 12 rivets and punching them out, and then replacing it with the new one using the special bolts, to my dismay I discovered that the new crown wheel is slightly larger than the original. It won't go in the hole in the case! I cannot reinstall my differential.
This will mean I now get to remove the one axle trumpet I had reinstalled, and the brake backing plate, and the axle and hub, and the lift cover, in order to remove the rear case from the gearbox, in order to remove the pinion, so that I can return the pinion and crown wheel and hopefully get the correct one instead. (That is, after I remove the crown wheel from the rest of hte differential of course.)
One thing that is crossing my mind is, given the amount of work involved and the potential for an unavailable or extremely expensive proper sized crown and pinion set, whether it might be worth it to replace the rear case with one that will accept this larger crown and pinion.
(My logic is that they probably discovered that this was a weak area at some point, and moved up to this slightly larger size. This set seems to be from SOME Ferguson - TO30 maybe? post 350,000 TEA20?)
So here are my questions:
1) What tractor took this slightly larger set? 2) Will the rear end from one of those bolt on to my '52 TEA s/n ~209,000?
3) Would I then be able to use my present trumpet housings (which are already beautifully painted)?

Note:
a) It is very unlikely that this set comes from a TED or TEF, as there are only about 8 of those here in Canada.
b) It is possible that these came in to my local dealer via the US, so they could be for a TO20.
c) They could easily be from a TO35 as we had those here.
d) By the markings on the box, this set had been from the warehouse to some other dealer and back to the warehouse at some point in the past.

Thanks in advance,
Jim W

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john(UK)

09-18-2003 14:01:37




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 Re: TEA crown wheel size in reply to Jim W, 09-18-2003 12:41:43  
Hi Jim, A lot of modifications took place at the same time, from tractor #330,043 in late 1953, the whole of the back end was beefed up becuse of the increase in horsepower in the spark engines and then the diesels too. This back end was also used on some Ford tractors too because they had the same problems but their original back end was lighter than the early TE and TO tractors.
1.It was fitted to all TE tractors after that serial number and no doubt it was also fitted to the TO as well but I dont have any data on that.
2. I am sure the back end off the later one will fit your tractor if you can get hold of one.
3. Sorry you wouldnt be able to use your trumpet housings on the later back end because there are more studs used to fasten it to the centre axle housing than on the earlier one.So you will have to get your paint brush out again,sorry.
TO35 and FE35 were much heavier built, so maybe not that but the later TE/TO models
Other modifications done at that time included, different brakes, the hydraulic relief valve was moved from the pump up to the hyd. ram cover, extra seals were fited to the half-shaft to stop the dreaded oil leaks onto the brakes and the half-shafts were also beefed up too and wont interchange (also different number of splines)

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Jim W

09-21-2003 07:41:55




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 Re: Re: TEA crown wheel size in reply to john(UK), 09-18-2003 14:01:37  
Hi John,
Thanks for your thorough response. Seems to me with all those improvements if I can find a rear end of a post-330K TEA I should acquire the whole thing and graft it on. I won't be able to use my present differential due to the new splines, or trumpet housings...perhaps the brakes will mount differently...yikes.
Interestingly I already have the lift cover from a later model - is the relief valve just inboard of the left access port? I did notice a small hole in the channel between it and the cylinder, and I guess this would explain it. I was thinking how this would change my idea about plumbing external hydraulics (having a return line come in through that port).
Anyway now I hope the dealer can just find me the right crown and pinion. This will be the third rear end removal; enough is enough! (the rear end that is on there is already from my parts tractor as the original was broken at the mounting place for the rearmost pinion bearing..)
Jim

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john(UK)

09-21-2003 14:22:38




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 Re: Re: Re: TEA crown wheel size in reply to Jim W, 09-21-2003 07:41:55  
Yes I think the later rear end would be your best choice if you can find one.Brakes should fit though. They did change the brakes at that point, it was the whole assy but the old one should fit without any trouble. Yes that lift cover you have sounds like the later one with the relief valve under the big square nut,on the right side at the front of the cover on the side, the idea was to spray the inside with oil when the valve discharged to stop condensation and corrosion. You can plumb a return pipe into the opposite side of the cover if there is a blanking plug fitted (it has a hexagon for an allen key) The problem you had with the original casing at the pinion was something we used to get quite a lot when we converted them to diesel with the Perkins P3 engine, it turned out about 34hp and if the operator was a bit clumsy with the clutch it could cause problems because nearly all the tractors that had the conversion were the early axle ones which weren't made for such a horsepower. Hope you manage to get all the parts you need....John

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