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TE20 Transmission Leak

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R Austin

06-09-2003 18:57:37




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On my 1948 (have 2 1948 and 1949) the transmission/hydraulic fluid is leaking out of lower plate cover in front of Transmission Case Assembly. There is a oil seal on the Main Drive Shaft in front of Cone Bearing. Has any one replaced this seal? What kind of job is it? I am sure it means splitting the tractor. James,UK have you ever gone down this route? Thanks, Ray




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R Austin

06-10-2003 18:09:15




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 Re: TE20 Transmission Leak in reply to R Austin, 06-09-2003 18:57:37  
When tractor is ready to split, back half is rolled away from front correct? Since front half is blocked up in front and back of block in front of split.Great idea to use two seals back to back. Each seal is 5/16 thick and run 9.95 each.



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James, UK

06-11-2003 05:58:44




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 Re: Re: TE20 Transmission Leak in reply to R Austin, 06-10-2003 18:09:15  
Remember that the front axle rotates - so you will need to hammer in wooden wedges to stop the front axle moving about the pivot pin - otherwise when you split the tractor the engine will tilt over, and possibly fall off the jack/supports, causing injury.

Yes, I'd move the rear end - but only move it as far as you absolutely have to - it's heavy, and the more you move it, the bigger the chance things will go out of line, making it harder to reassemble the two halves.

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R Austin

06-11-2003 17:37:11




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 Re: Re: Re: TE20 Transmission Leak in reply to James, UK, 06-11-2003 05:58:44  
I changed my mind, I guess we are permitted to do that. I took the front all apart and pulled the engine out with my crane. The 2nd and 3rd cylinders only had 85 compression and I felt the valves needed attention. So I took head off and pulled engine. I can now replace the seal in front of transmission with two 5/16 seals, also replace the rear engine seal, do valves, and anything else that needs attention. I was a nittle leary about the split since I work alone.

This is on my 48 Ferguson TE20 not on the 49 that I was trying to improve the oil pressure. After I finish the 48, I will start on the 49 again.

Thanks for all your help. I will keep in touch and more than likelk be bugging you with more questions

Like right now. How do you attach your crane to the engine? Do you use a nylon strap? I always used I-bolts screwed into head on my Farmall's. They were 1/2 and I could get 1/2 I bolts. But the Ferguson Bolts are 7/16 and I can't find them anywhere. I had to improvise with a piece of angle iron.

Thanks, Ray

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James, UK

06-12-2003 00:06:04




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: TE20 Transmission Leak in reply to R Austin, 06-11-2003 17:37:11  
Angle iron fix sounds a good way to go.

Yes, I work alone too, and am also lary of splits, these tractors may be 'small ' but they are still heavy.



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James, UK

06-10-2003 00:19:49




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 Re: TE20 Transmission Leak in reply to R Austin, 06-09-2003 18:57:37  
Yup you need to split the tractor - did the trans. seal and the rear main bearing seal at the same time as replacing the clutch (how's your clutch? Hint, Hint).

I think the other guys have covered it off pretty well, I like the idea of using two half width seals, and not just one full width. Nice idea.

Saw your response on the oil pump - when they rebuilt it, what exactly did they do? Just replace the rotors, or what?

Check the 'squirt' on the block, and the top end lubrication in the rocker cover before doing your main bearings - it could save you a lot of time and effort.

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R Austin

06-12-2003 18:16:05




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 Re: Re: TE20 Transmission Leak in reply to James, UK, 06-10-2003 00:19:49  
When I got to changing the seal on front of transmission, I found it to be 5/16 wide, not 5/8. Therefore, there is not room for two seals, the area where seal goes in front of race and bearing is only 5/16 wide hence you cannot put two seals in there. Those who say they put two seals in there I question. My TE20 does not have room for two.



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R Austin

06-10-2003 18:12:27




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 Re: Re: TE20 Transmission Leak in reply to James, UK, 06-10-2003 00:19:49  
On Oil Pump repair, they changed evertthing inside pump: gears,bushings,relief valve, everything. Thanks for help, will keep you posted.
Ray



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James, UK

06-11-2003 00:52:31




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 Re: Re: Re: TE20 Transmission Leak in reply to R Austin, 06-10-2003 18:12:27  
What they did was fine, but the wear in an oil pump happens at the top and bottom of the 'pocket' the rotors sit in (not usually across the diameter of the rotors).

When new, what we call the head clearance (the gap allowed between the rotors and one end of the pocket) is kept at about 0.0015 inch (min) to 0.002 inch (max) for best efficiency - less and the pump will sieze through lack of lubrication, more and the oil squeezes past the rotors, and pump efficiency drops, as it becomes a 'stirrer' not a pump.

At the age our tractors are, there is likely to be 0.005 inch or more of head clearance, so the pump isn't doing as much good as it could do.

When new, the Standard engine's oil pump should have shifted 5.5 UK gallons per minute at 2250 rpm - that's a lot of oil.

As you have already taken the pump out, check this clearance, and if necessary ask the shop that rebuilt it to machine the pump body and or the cover plate to get the head clearance back to 0.0015 to 0.002 inch. Then re-check your oil pressure.

I know that a few thou wear sounds like nothing to worry about, but it makes a huge difference to pump performance (and could save you splitting the tractor to do the main bearings).

How do I know this? Because where I work now is where the oil pumps for the TE and 35 series Standard engines were designed and manufactured.

Just changing the internal parts will not necessarily improve things - I still have to do my pump properly as described above, but then I still have 10 psi on the gauge after a day working hard.

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Al in BC

06-09-2003 20:46:45




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 Re: TE20 Transmission Leak in reply to R Austin, 06-09-2003 18:57:37  
When you split the tractor and replace the seal in the front extension hlousing from the transmission, replace the original 5/8 inch wide with 2 each 5/16 inch seals. Get the seals from your bearing seal industrial supplier. They will be cheaper than the agri outlet. This will ensure that the wear surfaces will be different. put grease in both seals, but especially the outside one. This will cure your problems. Also check the rear seal on the engine. I should have asked you what colour the fluid was.
Light colour coming transmission and dark colour if the rear engine seal is leaking.

Hope that helps.

Al.

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rod

06-09-2003 19:16:49




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 Re: TE20 Transmission Leak in reply to R Austin, 06-09-2003 18:57:37  
I took a tea apart same idea not to big a job you can just take off a few things and roll front end ahead just make sure it is blocked up good I have the shop manual copied if you need one let me know
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rod
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