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Ploughing with a TEA (P3)

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Ross M, UK

04-30-2003 06:11:35




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I am planning on buying a 2 0r 3 furrow fergie plough and would like to hear from people who plough with theses. I'd like to know techniques etc with respect to speed/gear, setting up, straight furrows. I've only ploughed once and that was with a david brown two furrow on the back of a 105hp Zetor 2 years ago and the aim was to churn the soil up to rotavate and reseed so no care or attention was taken.

I look forward to hearing you techniques.

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John

04-30-2003 21:30:47




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 Re: Ploughing with a TEA (P3) in reply to Ross M, UK, 04-30-2003 06:11:35  
Years ago I did demonstration work with the TE20 range and we ploughed under all kinds of conditions without any problems, even with 4 speeds. The usual gear we used was 2nd and very rarely did we have to use first gear, normally the plough was a 2furrow 10" GP but we also used the 12" and 14" Semi-digger types too. No way would we need to slip the clutch to keep it going EVER. I would suggest that something was wrong with the tractor if you have to do this, either hydraulic control spring or more likely Plough settings. If the engine was showing short on power, I would have checked the governor control adjustment as that should be opening the throttle when the engine under load and keeping the revs steady. The TE20 was a fine tractor for ploughing and if it was underperforming I would say that there was incorrect adjustment somewhere, but I would need to know more to offer further advice. 3 furrows can help sometimes but the heavy ground conditions and problems you describe would not be helped with an extra furrow as you do not have sufficient power in reserve on a spark engine,(3 furrows are fine if you are getting wheelslip, because then you have the power but cant use it) the Perkins P3 diesel however Will handle an extra furrow easily but again the engine governor needs to be in good order to get the most out of it. Incorrect plough settings can make it like towing a tank, set correctly and with the plough shares and disc coulters in good order it should present no problem at all. Regarding plough shares, you are right about the cast ones wearing better than steel, but they dont stand the shock loads as well, if you find the steel ones wearing prematurely you can have the cutting edge and the shins hard faced by welding, that usually cures any wear problems. Alternatively you need a bar point plough under those conditions.

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David (Scotland)

05-01-2003 02:03:22




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 Re: Re: Ploughing with a TEA (P3) in reply to John, 04-30-2003 21:30:47  
John, Interested in what you say about second gear. Problem I (thought I) had was different to James. I had no trouble pulling the plough but just felt I couldn't go slow enough for comfort on ground that had pretty limited soil depth over rock even in first. Possibly it was just the rough field conditions that was the main problem. I quite fancy the idea of going to a ploughing match or two to see how it should be done. Farm that have association with is all grass so chance to try plough is limited.

I have experience of trying to pull the same plough that I have now with a MF135 while (unknown to me) the bolts holding the beams together were twisted so that the plough was misaligned as a result of someone catching it on a rock while attached to a large tractor. It wasn't a plough in that state - it was an anchor. No way would the 135 pull it.

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James, UK

05-01-2003 00:37:25




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 Re: Re: Ploughing with a TEA (P3) in reply to John, 04-30-2003 21:30:47  
Hello John,

Thank you for the response.

Power wasn't the problem - it was getting it transformed into horizontal movement!!

I should have said wheel slip was our biggest problem on the occasion I described above - I doubt that the plough was incorrectly set as the ploughman using it knew what he was about. We also suffered from the 'sit up and beg' syndrome.

Governor was set according to the book, and the control spring was correctly set - but I have since developed a suspicion about the fore/aft adjustment on the quadrant - any hints or tips??

It was the ploughman who muttered about using a three furrow, plus duals on the land, and weights on the wheel in the furrow - which all makes sense unless you have neither duals (now solved) nor weights.

It is possible that we were pushing our luck anyway - it was someone's 'vegetable patch' we were ploughing as the local contractor couldn't both get in, and turn round. Ideal for a Fergie, we thought. We'd had several goes before, and had to abandon because of water-logged ground - maybe we should have left it for another week, but the lady wanted to get her spuds in . . . . .

I would have been happier (as would the Fergie I think) if I had had access on this occasion to a smaller plough requiring less tractive effort, eg 1 or 2 furrow 10" as you describe.

I'm almost hooked on ploughing, previous experience was limited to a John Deere 6400 and 5 furrow reversible Dowdeswell - I take my hat off to anyone who can produce a straight furrow uphill and down, or even on the flat. The challenge is addictive.

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John

05-01-2003 17:31:57




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 Re: Re: Re: Ploughing with a TEA (P3) in reply to James, UK, 05-01-2003 00:37:25  
Hi James,
Try this site, it will explain the adjustment in detail.
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You say that the tractor was rearing, well surely that means that it had traction to do that. When the implememt strikes an obstuction it tries to rotate around the cross-shaft and compresses the top link which in turn releases the weight transfer to the rear wheels, so no traction, at the same time any thrust down the top link pushes the front wheels down. I would be interested to hear what you find after you have checked the quadrant adjustment and maybe that top link spring, are you sure it is compressing it and not siezed up, I have to say that it is a classic example of no sensing via the top link. Anyway best of luck.

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James, UK

04-30-2003 07:57:59




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 Re: Ploughing with a TEA (P3) in reply to Ross M, UK, 04-30-2003 06:11:35  
It wasn't a Fergie plough, it was a two (once three) 14 inch furrow Dowdeswell, and the ground was soft sticky clay and some gravel on a slight slope.

The tractor was a TED20-85

It was almost impossible to keep depth, and keep going without slipping the clutch - and I don't like slipping the clutch!!

A friend of mine uses the same plough (it is his!) with an early Super Dexta, and is known to win cups wth it. He reckoned the TED did as good a job as the Dexta would have done, but like David, I would rather try it again with another set of ratios.

Maybe the Dowdeswell was just a bit too much for the old girl, and a single furrow would have been better - but I have heard that if you can't keep going with a two-furrow, try three furrows instead. Sounds crazy, but I suppose that it gives you the chance for a few mores revs.

Towards the end of this season we are planning another go - him teaching me - before attempting a ploughing match locally. I'll be the one with 'L' plates on my jacket!!!

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David (Scotland)

04-30-2003 10:26:45




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 Re: Re: Ploughing with a TEA (P3) in reply to James, UK, 04-30-2003 07:57:59  
I didn't mention that mine was a 2 furrow 10 inch Ferguson plough. I think what James says about trying 3 furrows might actually be better. Its an interesting idea that would be good to try. Another point is that although cast iron shares are reputed to last longer than steel one its not true where we are as the cast ones usually get broken on rocks long before they wear out.



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Ross M, UK

04-30-2003 11:51:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Ploughing with a TEA (P3) in reply to David (Scotland), 04-30-2003 10:26:45  
I think your right that going upto three furrows would be better as it will cause more load to be put on the tractor therefore would probably run better at the same revs rather than having to slip the clutch.

This being said though many a fergie are seen pulling two furrow ploughs quite successfully at ploughing matches.



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David

04-30-2003 06:26:32




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 Re: Ploughing with a TEA (P3) in reply to Ross M, UK, 04-30-2003 06:11:35  
I'll get shot at for saying this for sure but I don't like the T20 as a ploughing tractor. Reason is that with enough engine revs to produce some power, first gear seems to me to be too fast for steady work, on the land I was working on at least. (with some hills and rocks) I felt it needed to be just ticking over and then it was bit short on power. That was with a TED model. P3 will have more power and torque at low revs and so will be better. Probably ok on nice deep soil on flat land where higher speed may be ok. I have not done a lot of ploughing and that's just my personal experience. I'm interested to hear what others think. I have an FE35 and have ploughed with a 135 too and find the six speed gearbox a lot better.

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Hal

05-01-2003 17:17:34




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 Re: Re: Ploughing with a TEA (P3) in reply to David, 04-30-2003 06:26:32  
So 3-4 miles/hour should be comfortable plowing speed. With the 6-speeds, were you running them in 1-H? I think that would be typical but if you have really rough impossible conditions, you may have to run slower.



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steveormary

05-01-2003 21:11:19




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 Re: Re: Re: Ploughing with a TEA (P3) in reply to Hal, 05-01-2003 17:17:34  
WE pulled 2-14,s with the TE-20,TO-30 and a couple of newer Fords. 641 and 850. Never had a problem and we had some pretty tough spots to work our way thru. Used 2nd on all tractors except the 850. We used 3rd on that one. Run at about or just under 2/3rds throttle.

Have fun



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Wayne Smith

05-02-2003 17:36:47




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Ploughing with a TEA (P3) in reply to steveormary, 05-01-2003 21:11:19  
After I got my TO-30 overhauled and running well I begain looking for a single 12 or 14 plow for it. No luck. I finally found a 1962 set of double 14's (Massy-Ferguson) and was leery about whether my tractor would pull them OK. No problem. In fact, my Fergie probably pulls them better than it would a single in my soil. I can plow yery well in 2nd gear at half or 2/3rds throttle. That is a great little tractor.

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David

05-03-2003 10:23:39




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Ploughing with a TEA (P3) in reply to Wayne Smith, 05-02-2003 17:36:47  
Ok guys, I give in. I'll try it in second gear. I drove in second gear today to see how fast it would be and I guess it might be ok if everything was working right. To be fair the bit I was on had some parts with just turf over rock.



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