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TE-20 Ferguson lift cylinder/forks/etc.

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Charles Carlson

03-14-2003 08:10:31




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I just replaced the lift cylinder and piston due to moisture gathering in the cylinder, freezing and busting the end out of the cylinder. After replacement of cylinder, when lift lever is the upward most position, the arms lift an implement to the transportation position and then slowly drops the implement back to the ground and begins the lifting process all over again. This lifting/dropping repeats its self indefinitely. What do I need to do?????

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just_john10

03-14-2003 12:35:35




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 Re: TE-20 Ferguson lift cylinder/forks/etc. in reply to Charles Carlson, 03-14-2003 08:10:31  
Look at this site page , it will give you information you need.
http://www.holland-brand.co.uk/infofiles/hydraulic.asp



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Charles Carlson

03-14-2003 19:14:13




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 Re: Re: TE-20 Ferguson lift cylinder/forks/etc. in reply to just_john10, 03-14-2003 12:35:35  
John,

Thank you very much for the info. The website you provided me has been the most useful how-to website I have found relative to Ferguson tractors!!!

Charlie



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John

03-15-2003 05:21:52




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 Re: Re: Re: TE-20 Ferguson lift cylinder/forks/etc. in reply to Charles Carlson, 03-14-2003 19:14:13  
Hi Charlie, Yeah its a good site, but if you have any futher queries that you cant get answers to, just let me know. It was easier to send you to the site rather than trying to explain on here how to sort out your problems. I am an ex Ferguson Field Service Engineer and was around the TE20 a lot. Regards John



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Charles Carlson

03-18-2003 11:05:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: TE-20 Ferguson lift cylinder/forks/etc. in reply to John, 03-15-2003 05:21:52  
John,

I need your expertise. I had to replace the lift cylinder earlier because water had evidently settled in the cylinder when the arms were stuck in the up position, froze and busted the end of the cylinder out. After replacing the cylinder and regasketing the valve chamber housings on the pump, I reassembled everything. Then when I engaged the lift (with implement attached), it rose in a jerky fashion and fell, only to begin its ascent again. This behavior repeated itself constantly.

A local tractor repairman told me that I have two things wrong. 1) The reason the lift rises and then falls is due to a maladjustment with the control valve forks, as a result of when the ice froze and busted the cylinder cap it also bent or damaged the lift linkage that attaches to the quadrant. Although, according to this guy, "the untrained eye could not detect any misalignment of the linkage apparatus."

Is that possible??

Observation has shown me that in the upper most position, the piston rod/lifting ram never comes in contact with the adjustable linkage. Moreover, just the lower end of the fork (the bit that connects to the "T" on the control valve moves inward and outward of its own accord. When the valve is sucked in the arms raise; when the valve pushes out, it falls; all the while the quadrant is located in the uppermost lift position.

2)The jerkiness in the lift is caused by a sticking valve???

Is that true???

I look forward to reading your response.

Charlie

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john

03-18-2003 11:25:43




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: TE-20 Ferguson lift cylinder/forks/etc. in reply to Charles Carlson, 03-18-2003 11:05:20  
My first thoughts were that is was lack of oil, but that cant be coz u have been working on it, it could be the valves in the side chambers of the Hydraulic pump, there are non return valves in there and the load rests on these when the pump piston is sucking oil in, if these leak at all you can get jerkiness. But you say that the implement drops and lifts again, well it sounds like adjustment to me, and I do not think that the linkage is damaged in any way, if it was damaged it would have broken the control valve connecting rod in the process. Check that the control spring on the top link attachment point is not too slack, you should be just able to turn it when you have a 2furrow plough attached in the raised position, also check that the control lever quadrant is set correctly. From the fully raised position the implement should only start dropping at 2.5" from the fully raised position of the lever. adjust that with the 4 setscrews securing it to the top hydraulic cover. Just one other point, make sure the hydaulic oil is not to heavy a grade or just old and too thick coz that will give same symptoms (it cant suck the oil in fast enough if its too thick) Let me know if you have any more problems

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Charles Carlson

03-18-2003 13:16:21




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: TE-20 Ferguson lift cylinder/forks/etc. in reply to john, 03-18-2003 11:25:43  
John,

I appreciate your input. Thank you for providing me with a detailed answer.

In regard to the control spring, whether the implement is completely raised or on the ground, the spring turns easily by hand.

Charlie



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john

03-18-2003 13:34:19




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: TE-20 Ferguson lift cylinder/forks/etc. in reply to Charles Carlson, 03-18-2003 13:16:21  
Hi Charlie, well the spring is too loose, u need to adjust it(be careful it could be siezed up) you will need to adjust it till you can just turn it when you have the plough in raised position, there is just enough weight with a 2furrow plough. If this is siezed it could break the rod off and if you are not careful it could twist the fork inside and rip off the control valve con-rod. If I were you and you think it is siezed or going to be a struggle I would disconnect the linkage from the control valve, and then do it, and if its really bad remove the top cover again while you do it, so you can get some heat on it and some penetrating oil too. But the first job is to get that slack out of the spring setting and then go from there. Regards John

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Charlie Carlson

03-24-2003 19:33:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: TE-20 Ferguson lift cylinder/forks/etc. in reply to john, 03-18-2003 13:34:19  
John,

I fixed the lift pump on my TE-20. The problem was of my own doing. Being inexperienced, I placed an ample amount of gasket sealer on the valve bodies and pump housing. When I again removed the valve bodies from the pump housing I discovered large wads of gasket sealer in the valve chamber openings. I suppose when I torqued the valve bodies to the lift housing, the excess sealer traveled into the holes.

After re-gasketing the valve chambers with NO gasket seal, The lift worked like it was supposed to.

Anyway, thanks again for your time and expertise. I am sure I will need to pick your brain again. Hopefully, I won't be at the root of my tractor problem!!

Charlie

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