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TO-30 4th gear

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Mike

03-05-2003 15:59:12




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My TO-30 works great in all gears except 4th.
When I let the clutch out I can hear and feel the engine bogg down slightly but no movement, even when the throttle is increased. It is like the clutch is slipping but if it works in the other gears it should work in 4th???
Any suggestion?
Thanks




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Eric P.

03-13-2003 08:45:47




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 Re: TO-30 4th gear in reply to Mike, 03-05-2003 15:59:12  
I,m shure that I'm missin' something, but if the cultch is engagaged( foot off pedal_ and engine running and in any gear- and no motion or stall-Clutch must slip. Could be adjustment-could be its fried (easy to smell). I always feel bad if trying to start these cute little guys if loaded in what I consider there (#4) road-gear. Double clutch'n to get em up to speed and high gear has worked for decades. I'f the engine is tight and tractor is level, a TO-20 probally would start out in 4 with a slow let out on the clutch, Sherwin in low or Hihg, as equiped. Just my 2 cents. Sorry if I offend. I never had the guts to shift the Sherwin (on my tractor) in motion as I can't get parts quick and cheap at a Walmart, but I,m a wimp I guess. The Karma of most machines over a few decades old will let ya know what they need & can do, if ya listen.

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John

03-07-2003 15:20:48




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 Re: TO-30 4th gear in reply to Mike, 03-05-2003 15:59:12  
The worst thing you can do to a friction clutch is slip it like you have to do to start a load or even get the tractor moving in 4th Gear. You should start the load moving in 2nd or 3rd and then change up into 4th gear.ok.ok I know there is no syncro on the box but that is the way to do it and it really is quite easy to do with a little practice. It actually says this in the manual and it works and it doesn't wear the clutch.

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John

03-07-2003 15:20:47




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 Re: TO-30 4th gear in reply to Mike, 03-05-2003 15:59:12  
The worst thing you can do to a friction clutch is slip it like you have to do to start a load or even get the tractor moving in 4th Gear. You should start the load moving in 2nd or 3rd and then change up into 4th gear.ok.ok I know there is no syncro on the box but that is the way to do it and it really is quite easy to do with a little practice. It actually says this in the manual and it works and it doesn't wear the clutch.

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just_john10

03-06-2003 13:44:38




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 Re: TO-30 4th gear in reply to Mike, 03-05-2003 15:59:12  
sounds to me as though the friction material is worn down on the clutch plate and its trying to drive ont he rivets only, as someone said the ratio is such that it overloads what little friction is left. We got this a lot on the tractors fitted with loaders.



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marlowe

03-05-2003 16:18:56




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 Re: TO-30 4th gear in reply to Mike, 03-05-2003 15:59:12  
you can not start out in 4th you have to get moving in 3rd then shift to 4th while still moving



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marlowe

03-05-2003 16:29:24




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 Re: Re: TO-30 4th gear in reply to marlowe , 03-05-2003 16:18:56  
for got to say it also sounds like your clutch might also be going bad. if it slips in 4th it's because off the amount of drag in 4th because of the gear ratio. if you have to pull hard in 3rd it will slip and if you pull harder in 2nd it will slip and in 1st you will have to pull real real hard. not the best way to explain but thats the best i can do hope this helps



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Ray,IN

03-05-2003 20:43:21




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 Re: Re: Re: TO-30 4th gear in reply to marlowe , 03-05-2003 16:29:24  
I diaagree, a properly operating clutch will not slip in any gear once throughly/completely engaged. If your clutch slips, whatever gear it's in, it either needs adjusted or the clutch is defective. I can/do start from dead still in any gear. Fourth gear requires slowly engaging the clutch to avoid stalling the engine though. These tractors do not have syncronizers and shifting when in motion may result in broken gears and/or chipped teeth.

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marlowe

03-06-2003 05:03:45




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: TO-30 4th gear in reply to Ray,IN, 03-05-2003 20:43:21  
ray so you are saying that you start out a load of hay in 4th from a dead stop on the road? show me a old truck that had synncronizers. there is no way to get a farmall m to move in road gear with out shifting . also one of my to-20 has sherman and i can shift that with out grinding with a little care and with a little doubble clutching you can down shift in any gear and aclutch will slip in high gear but may not in low. not wanting to start a fight but think of the tourk differnce from 1st.to 4th.

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Dennis in Ma

03-06-2003 05:53:13




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: TO-30 4th gear in reply to marlowe, 03-06-2003 05:03:45  
I have to agree with Ray. A properly functioning clutch (no matter what vehicle it's in) WILL NOT and should not slip - in any gear.

And yes, my TO30 will start off in 4th gear - with a loader and a backhoe on it.



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marlowe

03-06-2003 09:46:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: TO-30 4th gear in reply to Dennis in Ma, 03-06-2003 05:53:13  
i never said you can't it's just easer on the tractor to shift.next time you gays have a trans out [car truck tractor ]grab the input shaft of the trans. and turn it by hand start in first gear and it turns easy then go up in the gears each will turn harder. one more thing the next time you pull start your tractor try it in 1st and i'll bet the rear wheels will slid and the engine might not even turn over then go to 3rd. or 4th. engine will turn over and the wheels will not slid. have a wd-45 in shop at this time that the clutch sliped real bad in road gear but only a little under load in the other gears like 2nd an 3rd and not at all in 1st. so the higher the gear the easer it is to get the clutch to slip if it's going bad or has oil on it

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