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GLENN SMITH

11-16-2002 08:54:44




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Well I finally got around to installing a new thermostat in my TEA. I got it from NAPA and the part number is 33006S, 160 degrees and the gasket part number is 33624. The gasket has oblong bolt holes so it was no problem fitting it to the housing.

For your information the TEA's thermostat fits in a housing and not in the top rad hose. Also it would appear that many different thermostats will fit, I tried one from a Nissan Multi I had and it fit too. The bolt holes in the gasket were a bit off but by making them oblong too it would work.

There was an old thermostat in place but it had malfunctioned and had stuck open. It was made by Smith's motor accessories ltd. England, Part# X85035'60. It's rather odd looking.


And now for the fun part. I used a 1/2" socket and ratchet on one bolt and promptly broke it. Don't you just love it when that happens? The other bolt was stuck solid too and would not move either, even with heat from my torch. I ended up grinding the head of that bolt off and had to drill and tap both holes. Aluminum and steal seem to weld together over time. Any how all is well again, just more time and aggravation to deal with.

Take care
Glenn

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Duner Wi

11-16-2002 15:45:06




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 Re: TEA Thermostat in reply to GLENN SMITH, 11-16-2002 08:54:44  
So I am not the only person who can turn a 20 minute job into a 2 day hassle. Giving up is not optional.



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Jim W

11-17-2002 06:41:05




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 Re: Re: TEA Thermostat in reply to Duner Wi, 11-16-2002 15:45:06  
2 days! You obviously have more experience than I do!
Jim



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kevin

11-16-2002 15:06:50




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 Re: TEA Thermostat in reply to GLENN SMITH, 11-16-2002 08:54:44  
Make sure you put lots of antiseize on any bolt that goes into aluminum. Better yet, what i do is change them to stainless. They are readily available, and ive never broken one yet.
Good luck, Kev



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GLENN SMITH

11-16-2002 15:36:21




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 Re: Re: TEA Thermostat in reply to kevin, 11-16-2002 15:06:50  
Hey Kev

We think alike. I did use stainless steel bolts.

Take care Glenn



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Jim W

11-17-2002 06:48:27




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 Re: Re: Re: TEA Thermostat in reply to GLENN SMITH, 11-16-2002 15:36:21  
Glenn,
I just put the thermostat and housing together on mine yesterday. Since I don't have coolant in there yet I am going to go back and put in stainless bolts. That is a great idea.

The original thermostat is 140 degrees. I looked around and could only find 160 in generic auto parts stores at least, but I did have a NOS 140 that I put in. In the big parts manual it tells you that for winter use you should block off the grill with cardboard, or reverse the fan blades so it will be less effective, so surely 160 will be good at least till spring. I wonder why they don't recommend changing thermostats like they always used to do with cars?

This all makes me wonder - if you have the "wrong" temperature thermostat, should you switch to a different heat range of spark plug?
Jim W.

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Norm

11-17-2002 09:32:44




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: TEA Thermostat in reply to Jim W, 11-17-2002 06:48:27  

If you ask me, I think there is no difference but the speed of temperature rise to actuate the thermostat. Two different beasts altogether.


Take Care

Norm in Ont.



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Jim W

11-17-2002 15:34:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: TEA Thermostat in reply to Norm, 11-17-2002 09:32:44  
Norm,
I think the speed at which it warms up would be the same because in either case the thermostat is closed until it reaches running temperature.
The reason I wondered is that once at running temp, the combustion chamber might be at a slightly different temperature and the spark plugs' heat range might compensate i.e. if the tip of the plug retains more heat it might work better in the cooler environment.

???
Jim W

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Norm

11-17-2002 20:25:38




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: TEA Thermostat in reply to Jim W, 11-17-2002 15:34:20  
Hi Jim, as you mentionned " if the tip of the plug retains more heat it might work better in the cooler environment", I agree fully but I think in a winter temperature environment, there is no substitute like working the tractor till it reaches operating temp ie slightly past thermostat opening temp. Now whether hotter plugs will help make up for it I suppose only to a certain degree. How's that for ambiguity. :)

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Norm in Ont.

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Jim W

11-18-2002 04:36:28




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: TEA Thermostat in reply to Norm, 11-17-2002 20:25:38  
Well, yes and no....



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GLENN SMITH

11-18-2002 10:49:52




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: TEA Thermostat in reply to Jim W, 11-18-2002 04:36:28  

Or maybe.

When all else fails refer to the manual. Mine shows that a 140 degree F. bellows type thermostat is required. I hope that the more modern spring type will be acceptable too.

The bellows type was supposed to crack open between 133 and 147 degrees F. and be fully open at 171 degrees F.

It also says " A constant high coolant temperature assures long engine life, smooth idling, good acceleration and good load pick up."

I think I could do with a new thermostat too.

It continues" In cold weather, engine starting and operating will be greatly assisted if the hood grills are blanked off. Reversing the fan will also considerably reduce the air flow through the radiator and help maintain a high coolant temperature in cold climates."

It doesn't say anything about the spark plugs. Perhaps we are getting to technical.

So with this info, I think that my new 160 degree thermostat will be all right in my Northern Alberta cold climate. The needle on my temp gauge now moves into the green zone. I'm not going to reverse the fan though, I like the way it now blows that warm air from the rad back at me. The wind chill factor was quite high before.

Enjoy
Glenn

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Bill

11-19-2002 19:52:25




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: TEA Thermostat in reply to GLENN SMITH, 11-18-2002 10:49:52  

A new "bag of worms",but in the early 50's I remember "grinding feed with a tractor of "different color" in winter and the tractor was just gravity cooling. Anyhow we used alcohol in those days as " premanant anti- freeze" was expensive and those cooling systems were big. When it was used in a car or truck you'd test it often because too strong and it would boil out faster and too weak and you'd freeze the block. Point being alcohol had a lower boiling point and it was commonly used in those days and you used a lower temp thermostat. I'm thinking the 20 derees won't make a difference. Bill

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