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Please Help, Do we have TE 30 or TEA ?? (Alberta Canada)

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CentaurChester

11-14-2002 18:06:45




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We have (we think) is 1950?-57 ferguson tractror. The plate on the
dash is very hard to read. We'd like to know what tractor we have so we can
order/find the right manual.

We know its about aprox 30 horse power..Give or take a few. We just put
on clutch fan which seem to give it more airflow through the rad (which seem
to help.We know the tractor is made in England. and I got as much as the numbers of it as I could. Here is what the plate looks like/reads

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Made in England by
The Standard Motor co.Ltd
Convertry England
Under these u.k patents

470060 612674
470087 619874
471515 666872
510352 541220
576907

BREVETE S.G.D.G
Other Patents Pending
Sign Harry Ferguson. Ltd
TEA 3?0417
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I can't tell what is after the 3. Its had something droped on it (got Nick in it)
The 'A' after the TE maybe questionable too.. Somebody may have just punched
in the ' A' so it reads clearer?

We know its is Wakashall Engine (not sure how spell that)
On the Timming belt cover it reads (looks like) : Warshall / could also be Marshall
The Oilfilter plate has " TECALMIT " on it
on the engine block it has (right side) : OA12361 500508
Behind our altantor (which was Generator): 3112-2

The engine block also has a ' 6 ' in it, Near the back of engine (close to clutch)

But yes so far we are almost sure its a Waukeshau engine. Yes it does have the zenith carb in right place.
We know its not stander engine in it.. As far I know its not a Stander engine, Its not and this tractor was built in England
(meaning it British) The old generator and battery was backwards. It was Pos as ground. We switched it over to alternator Pos is and Neg is ground now (using older motercraft Alt)

All the # I have are posted above. I looked on the engen block
and there is no S stamped anywhere that I can find. There looks like a ' ( 6 ) 'stamped on it ( Just as it looks)
but its not S 100% sure on that..

All the #'s I have are on my post above, the only thing is the Serial # of engine I have in my first post, 0A12361 - 500508
The 0 Could be a D but it hard to see.. Maybe DA12361-500508 (behind the Zenith carb)
That prety much it.. I'v not found any other #'s yet.

My dad who used to worked for Ryder forklift says, he knows Zenith carbs were used
in Ryderforklift. and they were also English made..( British) And were later brought over to us (Canada/Usa)

We are prety sure its a Waukeshaw engine. and the sieral # TEA 3?0417 We're assuming for now its either a TEA ??? or TE 20 or TE 30 (Something) 1953-54

I do have pictures. Not great ones but I'll see about getting more when it warms up more.

We also know the front axle is not orginal. We have feeling tractor (owner before) may have
broke the orginal front bars. But as far we know Everything else is orginal on it.
About 30 hp, 4 gears and on the gear box is is also a S (which be 5th gear if was a gear there)
Stander PTO drive on it., With engaged/disaged. Its a very basic tractor.. I wish it had High/Low gear on it. Wish we could put one on it

A friend from another website posted my picture for me (Many thanks Jim I hope you don't mind)
at www.picturetrail.com/jim_w

Select "Chester's tractor" to view my pictures. The one picture (last I think) is
mirrored.

Jim (is from the other ferguson msg board) But he's prob here too :P
(http://pub73.ezboard.com/foldfergusontractorsfrm1.showMessage?topicID=238.topic)
I'm just trying find out what tractor we have.

Can anybody help me please
Email me/or post here please
email : [email protected]
Thanks in advance
-Chester-

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GLENN, Devon, AB

11-16-2002 07:55:34




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 Re: Please Help, Do we have TE 30 or TEA ?? (Alberta Canada) in reply to CentaurChester, 11-14-2002 18:06:45  
Hello Chester

I have a TEA 20 and your Tractor engine(manifold, etc.) looks the same as mine, a Standard Engine. The only difference that I see is in the carb. Yours looks like a Zenith 24T-2. Mine is a Zenith 28G. The adjustments for your carb are as follows, When the engine is hot adjust the slow running jet (the small screw type at the top of the carb)approx. 1 turn open. If you get any black smoke from the exhaust then turn screw in an anti-clockwise direction until it runs cleanly and evenly.

Then adjust the main jet(the knurled knob at the bottom right) 2 turns anti-clockwise then adjust to suit driving conditions.

By what you have said in another post though you may need to over haul the carb first to get it running right in the first place. Make sure you clean every little opening and orifice inside the carb and you will probably have to make your own gaskets. I would also suggest that you install a gas line filter too. There is usually a lot of gunk in the gas tank that will get through the sediment bowel and muck up the carb again.

I find it hard to believe that anyone would replace the Standard engine with something else. To much trouble and work. Field engineering only goes so far.

The Stamped A in TE-A is like mine too. I have seen it Stamped in on two other TEA's aswell. You can go to the following site for an excellent over view of what all the numbers and letters mean.

Link

Try using a magnify glass to see what that second number is. At present your tractor could be a 52 to a 54.

As stated by others you can get a manual from the market place link on this site.

From the picture it looks like your Radius Rod is bent a bit. You should be able to get it straightened at a machine shop with a press. There is a bit of a trick to the removal and replacement. You can e-mail me for the info if you intend to fix it. Also looks like your steering drag link has been broken and welded back together too. Your tractor has had a hard life I'll bet.

Take care
Glenn

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cdmn

11-15-2002 21:53:35




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 Re: Please Help, Do we have TE 30 or TEA ?? (Alberta Canada) in reply to CentaurChester, 11-14-2002 18:06:45  
I'd sure like more details on that engine. From the picture it still looks like the stock engine, or perhaps a Z120 Continental. My TEA had a Continental in it. The length is a little shorter so the front axle and radiator support must be shimmed out. It would be pretty remarkable if a Waukesha engine bolted in. I know they were used on industrial equipment such as air compressors, very early B Allis Chalmers, and Case RC's.

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Phil (VA)

11-15-2002 05:56:05




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 Re: Please Help, Do we have TE 30 or TEA ?? (Alberta Canada) in reply to CentaurChester, 11-14-2002 18:06:45  
The "S" on the tranny would be where you normally would engage the starter. It's not for a 5th gear. Perhaps your starter switch has been removed from its stock location and placed elsewhere. (I'm not referring to the switch where the key is, but rather the one that activates the starter.) Also, if the tractor is 6 volts, probably it is supposed to be positive ground. The starter will spin either way you hook it up, but it could damage the electrical system and the battery if you hook up the original 6 volt system as negative ground.

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CentaurChester

11-15-2002 09:46:27




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 Re: Re: Please Help, Do we have TE 30 or TEA ?? (Alberta Canada) in reply to Phil (VA), 11-15-2002 05:56:05  
yes we know the the S was start, and at 1 time it did work. But it been disabled for a long time
We've re-wired her. And it was already on 12 Volt system. Pas grounded when had genrator.
But we've replaced it with motercraft Alt
and re-wired her so Neg is ground now.
-Chester-



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James, UK

11-15-2002 00:08:52




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 Re: Please Help, Do we have TE 30 or TEA ?? (Alberta Canada) in reply to CentaurChester, 11-14-2002 18:06:45  
Chester,
From the photos, you have the trans and front axle from a TE/TO20, and what I can only describe as an 'aftermarket' engine - so you need two manuals, not one.

My guess is that at some time in the tractor's life, the original (Standard or Continental) engine came a cropper and died. The Waukeshau was probably a replacement that (a) fitted and (b) was handy and (c) was right for someone's budget.

Over here there have been all sorts of 'conversions' done, and I'm planning one on mine for one day. She who must (sometimes) be obeyed has a car with a 2 litre Perkins Direct Injection turbo diesel in it. That would go nicely in my TED, and be 'shorter' than the Perkins P6 (6 cylinder) conversions that have also been done.

Wonder what the speed rating on agricultural tyres is!!

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ger/ hey james

11-15-2002 16:22:13




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 Re: Re: Please Help, Do we have TE 30 or TEA ?? (Alberta Canada) in reply to James, UK, 11-15-2002 00:08:52  
i would think SHE should be willing to give up that PDI for the sake of all us fergie fans an owners , i would like to know the speed rating of those tires too lol . later ger



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ger

11-14-2002 20:04:54




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 Re: Please Help, Do we have TE 30 or TEA ?? (Alberta Canada) in reply to CentaurChester, 11-14-2002 18:06:45  
it looks like its a 1952 tea 2085



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Centaurchester

11-14-2002 20:30:01




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 Re: Re: Please Help, Do we have TE 30 or TEA ?? (Alberta Canada) in reply to ger, 11-14-2002 20:04:54  
Could be. As far what everybody has been telling me its around Te 20-30.. Some say it TO 20
Both my father and I wonder if just TE-30
But everywhere Iv looked they all came with
Stander engine. But this tractor don't have stander engine. My dad has looked up on manuals
for Ryder forklifts and showed me what the
stander engines look like..

So if it is TEA (1952 2085) and does not stander engine.Then Great..
We need find out so can get a proper manual

Thanks
-Chester-

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ger

11-14-2002 22:08:34




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 Re: Re: Re: Please Help, Do we have TE 30 or TEA ?? (Alberta Canada) in reply to Centaurchester, 11-14-2002 20:30:01  
look at the serial numbers on the left of this page. i have a tea 20/85 it,s a 1954 about 28.5 hp. they say probably when it was new though, an yes it says te then the A is stamped in, later ger



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ger

11-14-2002 22:09:56




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Please Help, Do we have TE 30 or TEA ?? (Alberta Canada) in reply to ger , 11-14-2002 22:08:34  
by the way where in alberta are you im just west of the crownest pass , if you find a good place for parts how about letting us know thanks . ger



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CentaurChester

11-15-2002 02:25:30




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Please Help, Do we have TE 30 or TEA ?? (Alberta Canada) in reply to ger, 11-14-2002 22:09:56  
haha I wish.. So far we just been doing basic stuff on her.. Dad and I stated to paint her up and clear her up a bit. Put on Motercraft Alt
and fixed the fuel problem with better shutoff vale since the carb/float in carb don't seem shut off correctly and if ye leave the gas on she floods herself :(

As for parts,., That why I'm here.. I need find out what model we have so we can go about finding
the right manual so we can order parts if needed.

But were hoping next spring to totaly pull her apart, paint her up and fix the leaks and what nots.. Yeah Were guessing she around 30hp
Give or take a few..

Crossfield,Ab is closer to us.. Then Calgary.

Ps this site I found another site early who also has exzact tractor we have. I hope the website guy dont mind me posting his
link here

Link


-Chester-

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ger

11-15-2002 16:29:57




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Please Help, Do we have TE 30 or TEA ?? (Alberta Canada) in reply to CentaurChester, 11-15-2002 02:25:30  
im about 200 miles west of calgary, i have an extensive list of tractor wreckers some in your area too but for the small stuff i been using autoparts stores an machienists to build me things , mine is used so much that i never have enough down time to do a proper rebuild job but it sure has been a good tractor i have a loader on it an use it alot for snow an dirt etc. id be lost without my tractor , good luck with yours , you,ll get alot of help of this board an can even go over to the N board an ask dell or willy n stuff they know alot. later ger

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Chester

11-15-2002 19:46:39




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Please Help, Do we have TE 30 or TEA ?? (Alberta Canada) in reply to ger , 11-15-2002 16:29:57  
Hey that cool Could I see a picture of your tractor? We did looking into getting a loader
with ours but the cost would be too much.
We'd have put pump on the PTO and the loader itself is around 1500$ or more..
We went out and bought a 6ft rear blade for Fergie. The Blade works well
As for parts.. We would we could get replacment Carb for it. Ours don't seem to work correctly.
Well it works but the float inside don't shut off.. And Can't seem to make any ajustments to her. That why I want find manual for her..
Next spring is when we will pull her apart and fix her up.
Yes So far we've been using the autoparts stores too..
Email me your pictures if you have them
thanks
-CentaurChester-

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ger

11-15-2002 21:42:03




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Please Help, Do we have TE 30 or TEA ?? (Alberta Canada) in reply to Chester, 11-15-2002 19:46:39  
i don,t have any pictures an that sticking float thing is pretty common i think, mine started doin it this summer i don,t want to take it apart now but in the spring i will rebuild it an give it a good cleaning , my pump for my loader runs off the front , the cranksalf pulley, loader works good , got a bad back an it lifts everything for me , i sure depend alot on it an this old tractor



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