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Dennis

06-26-2002 09:38:47




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I posted a basic question about oil 90w gear to ATF and interchanging them. The owners manual for a 1950 vintage massy may not have had the oil qualities when it was written. The trans/rear end/3pt.pump are all in the shared box.

IF I CAN GET A THOUGHTFUL ANSWER INSTEAD OF A BIG MOUTH OR SALES PITCH FOR PRODUCTS YOU WILL HAVE MY GRATITUDE.

This message board is suppose to help each other not to brow beat.

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gerry

06-26-2002 22:24:06




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 Re: Oil Snobs in reply to Dennis , 06-26-2002 09:38:47  
i have a 54 fergie an i ,ve had it for nearly 20 years now use it in winter for snow and we get a wack of it here about 29 feet in total ayear an in the summer i use it for clean up field work etc. and all i have ever used in it for gear oil (rear end ,tranny etc )is a oil that petrolcan sells up here in canada called durtran tractor and tranmission, tried some stuff esso sold and it didnt work very good and had to change winter an summer this durtran is good all year long and you only have to change it every so often because of condensation adding moister to it, hope this helps ,i would never use atf in the tractor i do use it in the loader and it works fine for me there but i doubt if your tractor will last long if you use ATF, in the tranny ,.

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Dennis

06-26-2002 15:58:41




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 Re: Oil Snobs in reply to Dennis , 06-26-2002 09:38:47  
M1103 seems to end up at Walmart as their brand of trans/hydraulic mineral oil. Yet this ATF question lingers fact or fiction. Thanks for the help to the people of the good side of town.



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Ray,IN

06-26-2002 19:54:19




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 Re: Re: Oil Snobs in reply to Dennis, 06-26-2002 15:58:41  
Hi Dennis, I ran into the old man I know that used to be a H. Ferguson dealer/mechanic in the '50s this morning. I asked him about the ATF rumor and he looked at me like I was silly(perhaps I am) and said " You've got to be crazy to pull such a stunt". You do what you wish, I'm going to continue using what has worked since 1953 in my TO30-follow the owners manual specs. Dad bought the tractor new, gave it to me in 1989. The only thing that has been replaced/repaired was the muffler 2x, and a new set of rear tires. Why mess with that record?

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Richie Magoo

06-26-2002 18:58:28




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 Re: Re: Oil Snobs in reply to Dennis, 06-26-2002 15:58:41  
They have M1103 at Wal*Mart? Darn!.....and I went and paid $36 from the NH dealer! [kicks self]

You seem determined to use that ATF- if you do, let us know how long your tranny/rear-end last! (I hate using it even in an automatic transmission.....I just dont like that stuff.....pewwwww!)



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Dennis

06-26-2002 19:12:47




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 Re: Re: Re: Oil Snobs in reply to Richie Magoo, 06-26-2002 18:58:28  
They put it in my BMW in 1985 under warranty replacing the 90w gear oil with ATF. Now I know a car is different but gears is gears. Putting that aside last night the idea was revived by Central Tractor(the new one) by a kid from a farm working the floor. He seemed to be knowledgeable. No I don't intend to test the theory like my car. The factory backed that deal and it did work. Now I will play it safe because the mineral oil my play a part. My next challange is getting green paint to stick to it.

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Richie Magoo

06-26-2002 21:28:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Oil Snobs in reply to Dennis, 06-26-2002 19:12:47  
That has got my curiosity piqued....why they would use the ATF in the Beamers. Perhaps the mineral oil wasn't working good in that application and they decided they needed something less viscous? Car companies never seemed to be too careful.....they always use us as giunea pigs (remember the GM 350 "diesels"?)whereas these old tractor boys seemed to make a real durable product.

Hey....I have nothing against green machines.....always thought they were pretty good (at least the older ones....)

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Larry in Missouri

06-27-2002 11:31:26




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Oil Snobs in reply to Richie Magoo, 06-26-2002 21:28:07  
Actually, many vehicles use ATF to lube manual transmissions. My 1980 Dodge F150 pickemup truck at a 4-speed manual, and the book called for ATF in it. Apparently some transmissions function more smoothly (and apparently just as safely) with ATF. I'll bet you'll find that a lot, if not most, cars in the 1980's used ATF in their standard transmissions.

Larry



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Dennis

06-30-2002 17:51:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Oil Snobs in reply to Larry in Missouri, 06-27-2002 11:31:26  
Thanks Larry. This needs further research. If the car makers like it I wonder why.



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Phil (VA)

06-26-2002 13:59:54




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 Re: Oil Snobs in reply to Dennis , 06-26-2002 09:38:47  
The 90 wt. mineral oil is the same as GL-1 gear oil, which you can buy lots of places (but admittedly not everywhere) for about $20 - 25 per 5 gallons. It is NOT the same as GL-5, which is the modern version with additives that are not good for your pump. Your tractor takes 6 gallons if you drain it thoroughly. ATF will not work satisfactorily. Don't overfill. Enjoy.



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R. MaGoo (PS)

06-26-2002 10:54:29




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 Re: Oil Snobs in reply to Dennis , 06-26-2002 09:38:47  
Here is a link to something I was reading last night in forum archives- The best post about tranny oil I've ever seen.....it will answer all of your questions:



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Frank Light

06-26-2002 10:53:49




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 Re: Oil Snobs in reply to Dennis , 06-26-2002 09:38:47  
You can buy M1103 mineral oil where ever you want.
Get the manual where ever you want.
Put ATF in your tractor and you will run up a big bill at your machanics shop. The manual has the information that you want. If you are going to operate a Ferguson, you want an owners manual and probably a parts manual and if you are going to maintain your Ferguson you will need a repair manual. All of these manuals are available at ytmag. Get them here or somewhere else.
If we want to brow beat you, we'll accuse you of owning a 'green' tractor.

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Richie Magoo

06-26-2002 10:46:35




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 Re: Oil Snobs in reply to Dennis , 06-26-2002 09:38:47  
Dennis: I am by no means an expert on this subject....but I do have a basic understanding. As I understand it, ATF is of too low a viscosity, and has other inherent weaknesses that don't make it suitable for old tractor use. Ditto stuff like "Universal Tractor Fluid" (from TSC).

This can be a complicated subject- there may well be something that can be used in place of the mineral oil....but I'm not aware of it, so I only use stuff that meets the M1103 specs. I might consider using TSC's "Ford Hydraulic Fluid" in my TO-20.....but so far, I pay the $6 difference and get the real M1103 stuff from the NH dealer.

Something else may work....but I'm not going to be the one to test it on my 53 year-old tranny/rear-end/hydraulics. I am a cheapskate....but it's a lot cheaper to spend a few dollars more on proper oil, than it is to rebuild the parts that can get ruined with cheaper stuff.

Just my two cents.

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