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bc

02-12-2008 16:46:37




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Hi. I am looking for brake disks. When I got my tractor the brake adjusting ball/nut was tightened all the way up and I had no brakes. I took the adjusting nuts off and piled a bunch of washers on the bolt. It gave me some brakes but I know I need to replace them sooner or later.

I found some brake disks here at YT. The basic disk here is $14.43 and the bonded lined disk is $21.06. Is the basic one OEM and is the bonded lined disk worth $7 more apiece? I'm not sure what the bonding and lining does. The caseih dealer gets over $36 per disk. I don't intend to drive it down the interstate at 75 mph but you never know when brakes may save you. Thanks.

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bc

02-13-2008 22:14:18




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 Re: brakes - 2656 in reply to bc, 02-12-2008 16:46:37  
Update. I took the left side apart tonight. I recently had decided this tractor was a 2606 but after working on the carb and hydraulics I then decided it was a 2656. Well, the brakes didn't match the drawing for the 2656 but actually matched the drawing for the 2606, 606, & 460. It is some type of industrial hybrid so I guess I'll start calling it a 2606 again.(it has no name plate)

This one has the external hub that unbolts from the bull pinion bearing retainer which is flat against the rear end housing. There are no shims and just the actuator disc assembly which stayed together in one piece and the 2 brake discs. The 2 brake discs were 6" in diameter and about 9/16" thick. According to the depth of the slots going around the discs on both sides, there is about 1/16" on one and 1/32" of pad left on the other on each side before they would be worn flat.

I may go ahead and get new discs but it looks like I could clean the gunk out of the hub, sand the rust off the actuator disc surfaces/rotors and put it back together and use it unless you guys tell me different.

Anyone know how thick a new disk is?

Karl, no offense taken. I worded my original statement a little wrong. I'm just out here in the snow, mud, and cold and if I drop something it may be lost and it can take a week or two to order parts cause it doesn't seem like anyone stocks very much. Thanks for the help.

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karl f

02-13-2008 12:13:05




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 Re: brakes - 2656 in reply to Janicholson, 02-12-2008 16:46:37  

bc said: (quoted from post at 08:16:49 02/13/08)
Karl, I can handle most mechanical repairs once I figure out what I'm doing.
I'll post back when I get the cover off.


just want you to know no insult was intended. :D
karl f



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karl f

02-12-2008 20:02:28




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 Re: brakes - 2656 in reply to r4etired, 02-12-2008 16:46:37  
the shims to be removed are directly under the brake covers. they are probably all rusted together in one mess. you need to remove the same number of shims from both sides then adjust your ball and stud for equal stopping. my uncle did ours with just one side 15 years ago by mistake, and something wasn't right after that so that when you backed up it wore both sides down, eventually quit making noise or stopping; never got around to fixin it yet, afraid it's more than just a brake problem.
when you take your covers off, don't be surprised if there are no shims left.
if you are too overwhelmed, you may have to pay a pro to do it for you. nice thing is it will be done right, and you have someone to complain to if you aren't satisfied ;)

karl f

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Allan In NE

02-12-2008 17:18:36




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 Re: brakes - 2656 in reply to bc, 02-12-2008 16:46:37  
Have you removed any shims yet?

If not, 2/3 of the disc is still there and it won't cost you a thing except some time to remove the cover and then a shim or two.

Allan



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bc

02-12-2008 18:13:28




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 Re: brakes - 2656 in reply to Allan In NE, 02-12-2008 17:18:36  
No, this is all new to me. I'm kinda scared to tear into something (especially when it works) without knowing I got some parts available to put it back together since I need to move some hay bales every so often. Nights and weekends are the only times I can work on it and it sits outside in the cold and bad weather.

If it is a matter of removing the five bolts and looking without everything falling on the ground, then I will do so. I kinda thought the housing and cover were all one piece but I see from the parts diagram that the cover comes off separately.

I see the shims in the diagram but they are out by the outer brake disk and cover but there aren't any shims by the inner brake disk. I've replaced drum and disk brakes on cars and pickups but I don't see how these work. I guess somehow those actuating disks are like rotors and they turn and expand against the brake disks. Looks like it could be a ten minute job but I wouldn't bet the farm when I've never done it before.

Another question is do the actuating disks (like rotors) ever need to be turned smooth like you do with a car?

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Allan In NE

02-13-2008 04:24:44




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 Re: brakes - 2656 in reply to bc, 02-12-2008 18:13:28  
They don't work anything like a car.

The mechanical "actuator" works from the inside out in a "swealing" fashion against it's component's total "thickness" and there is only a certain amount of travel no matter how many "washers" you put under that adjustment nut.

This "total thickness" translates into pedal travel and is adjusted by the number of shims at the outer cover. The ballnut is then used as a "fine-tune" adjustment.

The thickness of just one shim makes one heck of a lot of difference.

Good luck. Those old bolts are probably gonna be rusty and hard to get out, but it's a fairly simple procedure.

Also, don't throw those shims away! If you ever have to replace the discs with new, you'll never get the stack together without the shims being there again. :>)

Allan

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bc

02-13-2008 07:16:49




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 Re: brakes - 2656 in reply to Allan In NE, 02-13-2008 04:24:44  
Thanks so far guys. If I open it up and find a mess of rusted out shims and decide that I need new disks also, does that mean I need to order new shims also? I also wouldn't be surprised if someone has already removed all the shims and adjusted the nut all the way tight. When I got it, the hydraulic filter didn't even have a valve in it rendering it ineffective.

YT parts didn't list any shims. I've also found that on about anything I do to it, I replace the bolts and use a can of anti-seize on the threads. This tractor has been worked on enough that bolts are rusted and someone else has already buggered up the bolt heads enough I've had to hammer and chisel some loose.

Karl, I can handle most mechanical repairs once I figure out what I'm doing. The I&T manual doesn't really say a whole lot. Kinda like working on dash radio and interior door panels on new vehicles. Some have hidden screws and some don't, some parts just pop loose with a lot of effort and some you have to pull and then lift, etc. You can break that plastic stuff and plastic bolts easy if you pull at the wrong place.

I'll post back when I get the cover off.

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