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davset

02-07-2008 13:32:28




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I got a B last fall and, after doing some governor repairs, got it running. Now after a few months I"m back to working on it. Cranked it up and it runs pretty good, but the head seems to be running a bit warmer than I would expect. After running at fast idle for about 15-20 minutes, the head was too hot to hold a finger on. So also teh radiator top - bottom was cold. (This B sat for several years in the woods behind an old car lot till I got it.) Any ideas? The radiator is good. I took it to a radiator shop and they cleaned/tested it OK.

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davset

02-08-2008 12:35:59




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 Re: B not cooling well in reply to davset, 02-07-2008 13:32:28  
Thanks, guys.
I talked it over with a couple guys at work today and pretty much the same thing.
I got some radiator flush on teh way home this afternoon and put it in then cranked up and ran it for a while. I'll probably let it sit overnight then crank up again tomorrow, getting it warm enough to allow for some flow.
The distributor is a very plasuible idea. At some point in the past a previous owner had "repaired" the broken governor spring by shortening it; there's no telling what else was done to get it to run "right." So far, it is OK other than a little sputtering a low idle. That tends to go away at higher speeds and under load.
We'll keep at this thing and get 'er right.
Thanks again.

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Bob Kerr

02-07-2008 19:19:32




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 Re: B not cooling well in reply to davset, 02-07-2008 13:32:28  
Not familliar with Bs, but if it is thermosyphon it is good to go, Just be sure the water in the top of the radiator covers the upper inlet or it won"t flow. Cold at the bottom is normal. If it has a water pump then it needs work as the lower should be warm.



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RAW in IA

02-07-2008 16:01:32




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 Re: B not cooling well in reply to davset, 02-07-2008 13:32:28  
As long as the water is not boiling at the top of the radiator it is working. I put a thermometer in the radiator top on my Cub one day just to see what it did. Got to 200 in a few minutes but never got any hotter. If the bottom return to the block gets warm you are not getting any circulation. Years ago I was cutting Gov. acres with dad's C and did not check the coolant befor starting. Of course, it was low. I noticed steam coming out of the rad. cap, and looked at the guage, which is at the bottom return, and it was almost to hot. Got hot enough to burn the valve cover gasket! Didn't do any real damage though, surprisingly.

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ScottyHOMEy

02-07-2008 14:32:19




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 Re: B not cooling well in reply to davset, 02-07-2008 13:32:28  
Hot at the top of the radiator and cool at the bottom is real good, as long as you know the radiator is clean and flowing right. With the grill off (so you can get to the front of it) you should be able to feel it go gradually from hot at the top to cool at the bottom.

Most likely, if it wasn't cleaned out well during a teardown, you've got crud and sediment in the head and in the water jacket around the sleeves. It can be all through, but it does tend to really pile up back around the rear of the engine and work forward, and it tends to be really dense stuff that doesn't break up easily. In both of mine it was solid up against the back of the water jacket, sloped down to where it still surrounded the sleeve of #4 about halfway up the front and continued forward to wrap right around #3 some, too. Bear in mind, that's a worst case.

You can try flushing the system, with the radiator hooked up as a first step. Use about two pounds of Arm & Hammer Washing Soda(it's sodium carbonate, not bicarbonaate, and is usually next to the 20-Mule Team Borax in the grocery store) and mix (before filling) about three gallons of water (enough to fill) and take her out and give her a good hot run. Drain, refill with plain water, drain again and replace. Just keep in mind, the thermosiphon doesn't run fast enough to scour like a sytem with a waterpump does.

If that doesn't fix it, you'll need to get more aggressive. You can take the hose off the upper engine outlet (the one the fan mounts to) and remove the lower inlet from the face of the block, and you should be able to get something with some pressure in there to knock the heavy stuff loose. (I THINK you can go straight in once the inlet is off -- somebody STOP ME NOW if that's not right!) I'd run water at plain old hose pressure down from the top to keep the crud flushing downward while getting a gentle pressure washer nozzle in the bottom, and directing the spray as far to the back as I could get it to go and keep it all running until she clears up some. You should get chunks. If you get to this point, you may have to get creative about getting a pressure nozzle in the bottom unless you remove the radiator -- maybe get a spare pipe for the PW wand and bend it??? but you have to really get back in there, so you may want to pull the radiator so you can go straight in.

I'd follow this up with a flush with the washing soda as described above.

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glennster

02-07-2008 14:09:29




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 Re: B not cooling well in reply to davset, 02-07-2008 13:32:28  
like andrew said check the block to be sure it isnt plugged up. backflush it, run some rad flush cleaner also. if that doesnt help, check your valve adjustment, they may be too tight, or the seats may be worn . last check the distributor if equipped or mag to see if the advance is working. if the timing is retarded, it will heat up. i just went thru that with my minnie moline, exhaust manifold would get red hot, boil the gasoline in the fuel tank. advance weights had froze up.

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Andrew Z

02-07-2008 13:49:34




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 Re: B not cooling well in reply to davset, 02-07-2008 13:32:28  
Is the block clean? in order for thermo syphon to work well the water jacket must be nice and clean, may have some build up in the head to preventing flow. Also make sure you dont have any air pockets in the system, this will casue i serious issure also.

Andrew



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