Creeper Gear Offset Farmalls

Dale, I believe this unit may use the same reduction gears from top shaft to the current pto as the distance looks about the same as if factory. The only way I can see a creeper speed coming from this, is another set of gears from pto back to bottom, and they must be using a pinion shaft coming in from the back to drive the crown ring gear. If that drive going back to rear end has a clutch, then that clutch could give Live PTO while in creeper. I suspect it only has one creeper speed and that one must leave transmission in neutral while using.

I post this photo ocasionally, hoping someone may recognize the unit and can tell us more about it, how many are around, where they are at, etc. Yes I to would like to know more.

Earlier in the evening I had typed in on google Ray Bock Foundry. I found that the Bock family had and still do have foundries. I also found info on several family members including a Kenneth Ray Bock Sr. associated with the foundry business. He had a son Kenneth Ray Bock Jr., however no mention of what business ventures he may have been involved in during his lifetime. He was however born in the mid 1930s, making him about the right age to have established a farm equipment business in the 1950s. This gear box was obviously done quite professionally in a foundry, and if he is the same Ray Bock this would explain his access to those foundries.

I am going to respond to your e mail as well. Again thank you for coming forward.

Furthermore I wish K-Mo would chime in with his opinion. Even if he can't post a photo at least he could say yes or no, as to whether this is the same gear box as his Auburn Trencher.

I wish K-Mo would come back with his photo, even comments. I don't think it is the same device. At least I can't imagine an external shaft from the device in my photo bypassing the transmission.

I've also seen a two speed gear box designed to fit in the torque tube of a Super A. Then there is the IH two speed gear box designed for use in the torque tube of the 404. That one should work on an offset, however I expect one has to use the 404 torque tube. Problem with both of those devices, they also reduce PTO speed when in low side. It may be time to start a new thread, inviting guys to post photos of creeper gear devices for offsets. I'd also like to get to the bottom of this one in the photo, and as Sam states there is cast in place print on the gear box. Hopfully someone can do as Sam suggests. I had a guy, seeing this discussion, ask me yesterday where the photo was. He was interested in learning more. I think we should take this a few steps more, so many times items like this gear box seem to die without resolve.

Does it look anything like the drive for your Auburn Trencher. I ask this as this unit as bolted to the back of a offset could hide a shaft going under the transaxle. I'd be interested in your opinion as I've never seen an Auburn Trencher on and offset Farmall.

I've had this photo close to 4 years now, each time I post it no one seems to know the device or how it works. The description given to me with the photo, was power was transmitted from top shaft to the shown PTO shaft then back to the rear end via the lower shaft. I have never been able to contact this individual to ask more questions. I you can solve it, that would be great.

LA