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M Farmall, convert 6 volt to 12 volt

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Tobacco Farmer

12-16-2007 14:13:17




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Can anybody tell me what I have to change to go from 6 to 12 volt? Thanks.




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Hugh MacKay

12-17-2007 02:47:32




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 Re: M Farmall, convert 6 volt to 12 volt in reply to Tobacco Farmer, 12-16-2007 14:13:17  
Tobacco Farmer: Mike is right, a good heavy 6 volt battery with 00 gauge cables will start that M any time your flesh is willing to brave the elements. Tractor starting and charging systems just require a bit of care and maintainence, a lot of folks seem to forget that. Somewhere up or down this page there is a guy having trouble with his 12 volt Farmall 300. I didn't chime in, however his problem is lack of care.

I have one 6 volt and two 12 volt Farmalls. They all require an hour or two of maintainence every 6 months. In fact I find the 12 volt tractors more troublesome than the 6 volt.

What most folks fail to realize here, is we have 2 issues, completely unrelated in my opinion. Frist one is 6 or 12 volt, and one can be every bit as successful as the other, on any 4 cylinder Farmall gasser. The second issue is generator or alternator charging, and the alternator is far superior, yet it costs about 1/3 to maintain and buy parts for as a generator. And YES, you can buy a 6 volt alternator, so why change coil, lights, etc.

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CityBoy-McCoy

12-16-2007 17:43:09




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 Re: M Farmall, convert 6 volt to 12 volt in reply to Tobacco Farmer, 12-16-2007 14:13:17  
Of course, you don't have to change to 12v unless you just really want to. New 2/0 cables, a good 6v battery and clean connections and it will work fine. I have a Super A, a Super H and a Super M - all start well on 6v. mike durhan



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Janicholson

12-16-2007 15:00:36




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 Re: M Farmall, convert 6 volt to 12 volt in reply to Tobacco Farmer, 12-16-2007 14:13:17  
If you want to go to a Generator system (to retain the stock look) this stuff is required: Also assumes a coil ignition. If Mag the coil is not needed, but a oil pressure normally open switch is needed to start the alternator. 1} A 12v battery as big as will physically fit in the box, of good quality/warranty
2) A voltage regulator for 12V positive ground Three terminal is good if you have a three terminal 6v now.
3} a 12 volt generator from a 12V IH tractor (this includes "SOME" MDs SMDs SMTADs, 400D 450D and later tractors with Stock 12V systems.
4} a 12 volt coil with "no external resistor needed" written on it.
5} 12V headlight bulbs that have the same wattage as the old 6V bulbs (do not go bigger hear, they burn out the dimming resistor)and a tail light bulb.

After polarizing the gen (brief connection between bat terminal on the reg to the Arm/Gen terminal on the reg with engine off before starting) the system should be good to go.

If an alternator is used, the battery, bulbs, and coil from the above list are still needed. The battery is hooked up negative ground. The coil is also hooked up differently (negative terminal to the distributor with Neg ground)
1} an alternator Delco two wire, or Hitachi are fine (the Hitachi fits under the hood with more clearance, and has more adjustment for the belt)
2) a 3 amp diode with 400PIV rating (actually an old good diode from an alternator output pack will work, but a two lead diode is easy.

Hook up the alt so the belt runs true.
Attach the Big terminal to the Load side of the Amp gauge (I like to replace the amp gauge with a gauge that reads to about 10% more than the output of the alternator). Some Delcos can put out 100 amps. I also like to put a fusable link (special wire that melts at a certain amp rating, available at NAPA etc.) in the wire going to the starter's terminal from the battery side of the amp meter. This keeps the smoke from coming out of components, and is often not done. Auto makers never build cars without fuse links in the system. It should also be fused to 10% over the alternator output.
Assuming a Delco, (hitachi are similar and described in the archives) The diode goes between the number 1 spade terminal on the alternator and the coil side of the ignition switch it is set with its triangle pointing to the alternator, and the line at the alternator end . If Mag equipped, The oil pressure normally open switch is placed between the #1 terminal on a delco, and the Battery positive post (at the starter switch), no diode is needed.
Hook up the #2 spade terminal on the alternator to the big terminal of the alternator. It supplies the sensing voltage to the regulator. Change the bulbs, and it should be good to go. Good luck, keep us informed. JimN

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12-16-2007 14:27:53




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 Re: M Farmall, convert 6 volt to 12 volt in reply to Tobacco Farmer, 12-16-2007 14:13:17  
Battery, an alternator or a 12 volt genny either one works just fine. Also need either a ballast resister in line with the coil or a true 12 volt coil. Other then that your just fine with what you have unless you have lights, if you do have lights you need to change them to 12 volts also

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