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Cold Weather Starting of 350 Diesel-Advise please

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migraine

12-04-2007 10:24:53




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Have never been around these contintental Diesels and wondering what the correct startup procedures in the cold weather is. Just crank it with a good 12 volt battery and hope she runs? Probably leave the starting fluid in the can right? Any advise is appreciated. I'm putting a new starer and cables on it and has been starting quickly with a pull so....?Thanks Migraine




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Merle Hoppenworth

12-05-2007 06:37:05




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 Re: Cold Weather Starting of 350 Diesel-Advise please in reply to migraine, 12-04-2007 10:24:53  
I had a 350 Diesel and once I held the heater button down for a full minute it would start very well. The heater is not a glow plug but rather a coil in the intake maifold and takes time to heat up. A full minute on the button seems long but this is what I found that works.



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chuck46

12-04-2007 15:44:20




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 Re: Cold Weather Starting of 350 Diesel-Advise please in reply to migraine, 12-04-2007 10:24:53  
Hi Migraine, Hugh and George have it right. The manifold heater button is the red one just below dash on the left. Like George said mine will start down to the upper twenty's, but the glow plug is not sufficient below zero. I start tractors every day, sometimes as cold as -40. Like Hugh said thick oil is the biggest obstacle, I have always stayed with 10W, multiweight can not compare. I like tank heaters, the drain plug is in the back right corner behind oil filter, there is a !/2 inch pipe plug in the front left corner of the head. Mount the heater close to the drain, run the warm hose up and forward and between the head and the thermostat housing, be sure to keep it low there so you don't get an air lock. A 1500 watt heater will start it in an hour at zero, 2 hours at -40. Another plus is with a heater and a windbreaker you can burn No 2 fuel all winter without jelling. I never use ether in the 350's, they have quite a lose fit to their very thin sleeves. Good luck, Chuck

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georgeky

12-04-2007 14:52:21




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 Re: Cold Weather Starting of 350 Diesel-Advise please in reply to migraine, 12-04-2007 10:24:53  
migraine, Hugh is right. The 350 has a heater coil inside the manifold. There is a button on the dash to activate it with. Just hold it down for a bit and it should start. Mine starts fairly well to 30 degrees without it. Do not use either if the manifold heater is going to be used. Some have said their 350D was hard to start, but mine has always started quite well for an old diesel. Parts are a bit high for them, but I wouldn't take a farm in Georgia for mine. Lots of power and great fuel economy. The best of any tractor I have ever operated.

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Hugh MacKay

12-04-2007 12:37:08




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 Re: Cold Weather Starting of 350 Diesel-Advise please in reply to migraine, 12-04-2007 10:24:53  
Migraine: I think your Continental diesel has a manifold heater. I don't know much about these but I notice George KY in discussion telling someone about the heater they didn't know existed. This manifold heater works similar to glow plugs other than heating the intake manifold.

That magnetic heater, Michael speaks of works well. My brother has one large enough to cup right around oil pan. Once you have the oil hot, you know where your excess heat is going. I've really never seen anything more effective than hot crankcase oil. I can remember a sawmill operator back in the 50s, had a diesel forklift. Every night he drained oil, put it in a heated building. Next morning he warmed it on a camp stove. I've quite often built fires under oil pans on diesels. You have to be sure you have no oil or fuel leaks. I don't like this method but hot crankcase oil does work. The fires I used were barbeque charcoal in cast iron fry pan. I put them right under oil pan. I did this with my 6.2 diesel pickup once at -40. By the time the charcoal burned out, the diesel started and the heater generated heat within 45 seconds. I just throw this in to point out the value of warm or hot oil. I don't recommend the daily use of charcoal fires under the oil pan.

The other great one is the circulating coolant heater, with an element in an external tank. These lend themselves well on some engines, ideally they should have a block drain about mid engine, then a port into water jacket of head again about mid way along engine. The coolant drains into heater from bottom of block, is heated then rises to the head. This works same as thermosyphon, thus it is best if both ports are on same side with heater clamped between the two, in a vertical position.

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TomH in PA

12-04-2007 15:29:33




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 Re: Cold Weather Starting of 350 Diesel-Advise please in reply to Hugh MacKay, 12-04-2007 12:37:08  
I've heated the oil before trying to start an engine in very cold weather a couple of times by putting a trouble light under the pan for a while. Seems to work better with an incandescent than fluorescent bulb ;^)



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Hugh MacKay

12-04-2007 16:42:05




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 Re: Cold Weather Starting of 350 Diesel-Advise please in reply to TomH in PA, 12-04-2007 15:29:33  
Tom: I remember an old guy, used to put one of those old fashion hot plates under his Farmall C. He had a thin steel plate over the burner to run off any liquid that might drip from the tractor. Not sure we'd want to try that today with all the carb leaks we have. Rather amusing I think, those old Farmalls never leaked back when the carbs were new and we were burning leaded gas. I had a friend buy a new carb and within a year it was leaking. I can't believe anything else other than this new gas has additives not very user friendly in these carbs.

I only have 3 tractors, however at any given time one of them always seem to be leaking gas. I watch discussion, seeing guys going for electronic ign., 12 volt batteries and alternator, etc. Yes, I'll go along with alternator any day, but I'm not going to change voltage to achive it. I just wish someone could develop a carb that would run more than 9 months without leaking. Electronic fuel injection is what I need on my tractors, because I spend a lot more time messing with carb leaks than I do on points, condenser, coil, plugs, wires, rotors, caps, etc. combined.

I have a friend with a fleet of a dozen old Cockshutts, same carbs. He claims he goes through a jerry can of gas per week, even if he never starts a tractor. With all that gas leaking, my major concern is fire. This modern gas also smells every bit as bad as diesel. Absolutely no need of one's shop smelling that bad.

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Karl Hamson

12-04-2007 17:10:14




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 Re: Cold Weather Starting of 350 Diesel-Advise please in reply to Hugh MacKay, 12-04-2007 16:42:05  
It is all pretty easy when you have electricity isn't It? When I was a kid in the Peace River country of Northern Alberta we had no such luxury. When we shut down a vehicle we would jack it up and block it, remove the battery, drain and save the oil, drain the water (could not afford antifreeze but sometimes used kerosene in the rad) and cover the tires with old binder canvas. The battery went behind the wood cooking range and the oil in a bucket in the pantry. When we needed the truck again the process was reversed. Hot water was poured into the rad which had cardboard in front of the core. It would usually start and there was always the crank if it did not. Fires were lit under the transmission and diff otherwise you could not shift gears. We jacked up and blocked it so the tires would be round. Those old bias plys would get flat spots on them which seemed to take forever to work out. The whole process took about two hours of miserable work at -40. Something to look back on but I do not miss it one bit.

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Hugh MacKay

12-04-2007 18:04:36




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 Re: Cold Weather Starting of 350 Diesel-Advise please in reply to Karl Hamson, 12-04-2007 17:10:14  
Karl: Are you telling me I missed something, not quite so pleasant. When I graduated from Ag college there were land grants being handed out in Peace River country. It sounded like one H@!! of a deal, and I almost fell for it.



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Michael Soldan

12-04-2007 11:48:30




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 Re: Cold Weather Starting of 350 Diesel-Advise please in reply to migraine, 12-04-2007 10:24:53  
Well, I always start my diesels in cold weather with the throttle pulled wide open. Some tractors have certain features to help, for instance a 584 , you hold your fuel shut off lever out halfway and it provides more fuel to aid in starting. The batteries are very important. They need to be Good and be charged up. I've seen folks starting a diesel and complaining about the hard start when in fact it is turning over, but not turning over fast enough.Good batteries are a must.Ether is better left in the can. Some kind of heater will help, I have a magnetic one I clamp on the oilpan, you can stick it on the water jacket if you wish, the extra bit of heat helps a lot.On the oil pan it thins the cold oil and the heat does permeate the combustion chambers, an in line coolant heater is likely the best.Run some methyl hydrate in the diesel fuel and a quart of automatic transmission fluid in the fuel will lube your pump .That's what works for me, but battery is 90% of the start up.

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Hugh MacKay

12-04-2007 14:27:24




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 Re: Cold Weather Starting of 350 Diesel-Advise please in reply to Michael Soldan, 12-04-2007 11:48:30  
Michael: Did you get much snow in the past 48 hours. I know what they were predicting. I know it blew around a lot. I know you had the usual road closures. But after it's all over the weather man seems to have forgotten how much snow fell.

Where I used to live on Cuddy Drive we were on the fringe of that snow belt, and in that area even a mile north made a huge difference. We have virtually no snow here. I was west to Watford this morning, kept south of 402 and there is very little snow. We had a lot of blowing snow in the air, visability was never below a mile.

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Michael Soldan

12-04-2007 16:02:23




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 Re: Cold Weather Starting of 350 Diesel-Advise please in reply to Hugh MacKay, 12-04-2007 14:27:24  
Yes we did Hugh, schools closed, roads closed, my driveway was about a foot and a half deep, some huge drifts in the farm lane, I used the walk behind and cleaned up my yard and it took a while. there's lots of snow for snowmobiling!



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Hugh MacKay

12-05-2007 04:51:48




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 Re: Cold Weather Starting of 350 Diesel-Advise please in reply to Michael Soldan, 12-04-2007 16:02:23  
Michael: Nothing to it for Huron County boys. Did you see Rick Mercer's take on Toronto's reaction to winter storms last evening. Of course Rick being an old Newfoundland boy, he'd be right at home in a Huron County wind and snow. I see he was in Stratford for last evenings show. You Huron guys should invite him out to some Huron County snow mobiling. He loves rural Canada, and the folks that live there.

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migraine

12-05-2007 09:24:05




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 Re: Cold Weather Starting of 350 Diesel-Advise please in reply to Hugh MacKay, 12-05-2007 04:51:48  
Thanks for the replies. I will follow the advise to a tee. Migraine



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migraine

12-05-2007 07:34:34




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 Re: Cold Weather Starting of 350 Diesel-Advise please in reply to Hugh MacKay, 12-05-2007 04:51:48  
Thanks for the replies. I will follow the advise to a tee. Migraine



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