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Hand crank storage 1940 H

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tackhammertime

11-29-2007 14:26:35




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Were is the hand crank stored when it is not being used. I see some with them hanging on the front.




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Mike Farmer

11-30-2007 06:09:38




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 Re: Hand crank storage 1940 H in reply to tackhammertime, 11-29-2007 14:26:35  
When the M's and H's were imported into England in the early and mid forties (This is a far as I am aware) they were all P/P that is what we called petrol-parrafin i.e gas/ Distillate. I never saw one with a starter motor. This includes within reason all the other makes as well. There was no money to buy things like batteries and indeed when they were used for ploughing in the winter, most of them went onto 'irons' for two or three months because of the heavy wear on rubber tyres same reason even if they were available there was no money to buy them. So the tractors lived under tarps in the fields. The most important part was to ensure that the ignition system and the fuel system was as perfectly adjusted as possible, because starting one of those in a field in the dark in the middle of winter was no joke. If the mag and fuel was right it was not a problem.
I agree entirely with the comments about the methods of using the handle, and the only people I've seen hurt are the ones who are careless and know that " well I've done it this way forever and it can't happen to me" Well it can. For what its worth I bough two H's recently and niether have ever had a starter motor. I stow the handle in fron of the seat it lays ok around the bottom of the steering columb. Heaven I didn't realize that I was that old. MTF

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JayIH Man

11-29-2007 17:55:27




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 Re: Hand crank storage 1940 H in reply to tackhammertime, 11-29-2007 14:26:35  
The proper place is on right hand side of engine between oil filter and dist or mag.Our '45 H's crank has rode there since '45. It wedges between engine and frame.My H is a distolite tractor and I have hand cranked it for years, if your engaging shaft is lubed the crank can't kick back...



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Janicholson

11-29-2007 18:17:17




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 Re: Hand crank storage 1940 H in reply to JayIH Man, 11-29-2007 17:55:27  
With respect and concern for safety, I must seriously disagree with your assessment of kickback. The lube of the shaft (though making it easier if not possible)has not a thing to do with kickback. Advanced spark timing, causing the cylinder coming up to fire before TDC, causes the engine to turn backwards violently. This twists on the handcrank drive mechanism in the same "drive direction, but opposite rotational direction. That crank arm will come around on you so fast that you cannot get out of the way.

Make dead sure of the timing.
Put the crank in at the bottom.
Pull up only 1/2 turn, do not spin ever.
Keep your thumb and all fingers on the right hand side of the crank handle.
Keep your body arms and face out of the rotational possible locations of the handle as though it were making 360.

The place for the crank is fine on the right side, but, even if you have been unhurt, the info could be dangerous. JimN

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WonderingAl

11-29-2007 17:43:30




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 Re: Hand crank storage 1940 H in reply to tackhammertime, 11-29-2007 14:26:35  
My Uncles and grandfather welded several of theirs to wenches they used to lift cattle gates. I think they even used one to collect a strata of grease-dirt for some 40 years. I think the hand crank is like the human appendix...maybe at one time.....long,long,long ago in another farmer's land there was an evolutionary transition from the three armed homosapien to the today two armed version. The hand cranks you see today are fossilized ruins from that time of the world that through erosion have resurfaced.

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NDS

11-29-2007 16:15:35




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 Re: Hand crank storage 1940 H in reply to tackhammertime, 11-29-2007 14:26:35  
Im am with Allen we kept ours hanging on back wall of tractor shed. Starters and batterys are cheaper than arm casts. If we had one that would not start we fixed it or pull started it to get it home.



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Mike CA

11-29-2007 15:33:08




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 Re: Hand crank storage 1940 H in reply to tackhammertime, 11-29-2007 14:26:35  
I hung mine on the radiator fan. The first time I got it to turn over with the starter it threw the hand crank across the garage, went through both back passenger windows of my wife's SUV, through the garage window, and killed the neighbors cat.

So I recommend hanging it any place but the radiator fan.



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Kevin Wieber

11-29-2007 15:22:19




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 Re: Hand crank storage 1940 H in reply to tackhammertime, 11-29-2007 14:26:35  
I put mine through the lower base of the seat. It has been there for years and never fallen off.
My H is a 1942.



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Allan In NE

11-29-2007 14:41:28




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 Re: Hand crank storage 1940 H in reply to tackhammertime, 11-29-2007 14:26:35  
Under the workbench in the garage.

Used one once in the past sixty some years and that was just to see if the goofy thing worked.

I can't ever remember seeing anyone actually carry the thing on the tractor.

Allan



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Janicholson

11-29-2007 14:35:53




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 Re: Hand crank storage 1940 H in reply to tackhammertime, 11-29-2007 14:26:35  
The answer is complex but not over taxing.
There is no place on the tractor that is "THE" place. Many make a set of clips to hold it on the frame rail under the carb, Others just hang it in the frame rail in a position that it can't fall from, some put it on the platform loose, some on the platform with velcro, or a clip or two. The most common solution (probably in the 80th percentile is choosing a nice dryish place in the barn that is between studs, or behind that never moved future project that cannot be tossed, and there it stays. Ours are in the garage behind the work bench. JimN

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tackhammertime

11-29-2007 14:46:17




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 Re: Hand crank storage 1940 H in reply to Janicholson, 11-29-2007 14:35:53  
Thanks I always thought that hanging out on the front it might catch something in a tight turn.



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