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glennster

02-18-2007 12:18:46




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read the earlier post about adding live hydraulics to an h, got me thinking. how about monting a live pump off the front of the crankshaft? i looked at my super m, has about 5" by 6" space inside the steering bolster if you remove the hand crank linkages. mount say a small log splitter pump or something in there, and machine a coupler to slide on the end of the crankshaft. run the lines down along the rt frame rail, use the belly pump for the resevoir, add a spool valve, should be good to go. any thoughts?????

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gots-2-go

02-18-2007 18:57:22




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 Re: adding live hydraulics in reply to glennster, 02-18-2007 12:18:46  
glennster,

Although they are very hard to come by M&W Gear Company did make a live pump for the Farmall H.

There was one listed on ebay, I contacted the seller about buying it and was told that IT HAD ALREADY BEEN SOLD.

You can install a live pump from a Super H or 300 on your H, BUT you would need to use the front timing cover and backing plate from the same (some say to change the timing gear too).

I have a M&W setup on my H.

I use it to run a loader, three point hitch, and power steering (I would part with my F-350 dullay before parting with that setup).

You might try Mike at Steel Wheel Ranch if you want to install live hydraulics on your H, he might have a M&W Pump or all of the parts you would need.

gots-2-go

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wh

02-18-2007 16:36:14




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 picture of mine in reply to glennster, 02-18-2007 12:18:46  
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just bite the bullet and spend the money. i also built a tank that will hold 6 3/4 gallons of fluid to keep the oil cool. i installed a filter on the return side to the tank. works correctly and i also have a remote hook-up. bottom line is it is your tractor and there are several ways that will work.

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Steven@AZ

02-18-2007 16:27:25




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 Re: adding live hydraulics in reply to glennster, 02-18-2007 12:18:46  
I thought the same thing, but the only pump that would fit in the limited space within the cast iron bolster would not have enough GPM to be useful for anything other than power steering.

Cogged belt would be the best way, in my opinion.



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r4etired

02-18-2007 13:31:55




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 Re: adding live hydraulics in reply to glennster, 02-18-2007 12:18:46  
Make sure you check pump rotation direction when selecting your mountings, The Hydraulic pump for the head on a 760 Massey combine is a nice little belt driven pump, I have used them on other applications



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Allan In NE

02-18-2007 13:00:49




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 Re: adding live hydraulics in reply to glennster, 02-18-2007 12:18:46  
Why cobble it when all ya gotta do is bolt the thing up?

Allan

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Steven@AZ

02-18-2007 16:30:27




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 Re: adding live hydraulics in reply to Allan In NE, 02-18-2007 13:00:49  
Who you calling cobbled up?!?!?!? I was after a useful tractor, and my system cost about 1/2 what one of those pumps cost alone.

Just playin' with ya ;o)



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Gary in Mozarks

02-18-2007 15:48:52




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 Re: adding live hydraulics in reply to Allan In NE, 02-18-2007 13:00:49  
Now, that is slick!



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Bob M

02-18-2007 12:44:01




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 Re: adding live hydraulics in reply to glennster, 02-18-2007 12:18:46  
Your idea could work in theory. In fact lots of production tractors (Oliver industrials, 2nd generation John Deere and many others) drive the hyd pump in this manner. But on these the pump is located ahead of the radiator and is driven by a stub shaft from the front of the crankshaft.

Problem with the Super M is the limited room between the fan pulley and the bolster casting - I'd guess less than 4". Simply not enough space for substantial hydraulic pump/coupling.

Further on the Super M the bolster pivot shaft runs smack thru the center of the bolster casting. So mounting the pump out front and driving it from a stub shaft is simply impossible.

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A while ago someone on this board posted photos showing how he installed a pump and drove it of a timing (cogged) belt from a timing pulley attached the the front of the fan pulley.

But probably the easiest way for you is to obtain a live pump from a Super M/400/450 and install it on the engine. And you tractor is a Super M it's already got the heavy timing gears installed.

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Hugh MacKay

02-18-2007 14:52:25




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 Re: adding live hydraulics in reply to Bob M, 02-18-2007 12:44:01  
Bob: I have seen a pump mounted out front of bolster and driven by a shaft through the diagnol hand crank hole, using a u joint at the crankshaft. I did not see it operate, and to me it looked like a nightmare should it ever require any service. This was powering a Wagner loader that came from a row crop Cockshutt and had been moved to an M.



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glennster

02-19-2007 06:58:01




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 Re: adding live hydraulics in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-18-2007 14:52:25  
my thoughts on it were to get an inexpensive and quick way to add live hydraulics to the h and m tractors in a neat and tidy way. i was looking thru the northern catalog and they have some pumps in there, a haldex barnes 8.95 gpm at 1800 rpm in either cw or ccw rotation, that are compact. i dont know the pump dimensions, but if it was small enough, it could fit in the cavitybehind the bolster shaft and have a direct line to the crankshaft end. pump is only 174.99, so say under 300 anybody could add live hydraulic to an h or m, without a lot of surgery on the tractor. if it works, maybe somebody could sell the kits!!!!

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tn terry t

02-18-2007 18:49:37




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 Re: adding live hydraulics in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-18-2007 14:52:25  
if i could figure out how to load pictures i could show som of my h with crank mounted pump



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gots-2-go

02-18-2007 19:45:19




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 Re: adding live hydraulics in reply to tn terry t, 02-18-2007 18:49:37  
Terry,

You can load your pictures on this site under the "Parts & Pieces" area, if you want to.

If you do so just let everyone know that you have added them and everyone can view them if they wish to.

I for one enjoy seeing the different ways that people have come up with to solve problems.

Thanks
gots-2-go



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