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Bill Geer

12-22-2006 22:29:25




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I have a 1990 gmc 3500 Iton with duall tires.I'am trying to find out what the maxium weight I can pull. I found a goose neck trailer. 18+4 deck. two axles withe two tires on each corner. {8 TIRES], trailer built about 2001.I think 4500.00 is a good deal,but is it over kill for the truck.

Just had a pace maker put in tuseday. Could not sleep so I figuuered I would post this and see if any body could help. thanks Bill

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Gauu6

12-28-2006 18:32:10




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 Re: truck/trailer question in reply to Bill Geer, 12-22-2006 22:29:25  
We used a Dodge Diesel Dually to move tractors and construction equip.with a 20k gooseneck trailer until we were stopped going up a mountain.Electric brakes don't hold very well in reverse and we nearly lost truck trailer and backhoe.We now have a semi with air brakes,we dont pull any faster but we know we can stop!



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Al L. in Wisc

12-23-2006 19:37:42




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 Re: truck/trailer question in reply to Bill Geer, 12-22-2006 22:29:25  
Won"t comment on the truck/trailer, just hoping your "pacer" works well for you and will allow you lots of good times in the seat-be it truck or tractor!



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Marty Johns

12-23-2006 19:03:33




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 Re: truck/trailer question in reply to Bill Geer, 12-22-2006 22:29:25  
Every truck that has been made since at least the early 80's will tow more than it's rated for! there is alot more goes into the rating than the eng. I do not worry about what I can tow! I worry about what my trk and the trl. brakes can STOP!!!! something to think about, right guys!!!!! !



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va. transplant

12-24-2006 11:36:42




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 Re: truck/trailer question in reply to Marty Johns, 12-23-2006 19:03:33  
That's what I always thought. I never worried about whether I could pull it or not. I was more concerned about whether I would be able to get the load stopped when I had to in an emergency situation.



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ericlb

12-23-2006 17:40:10




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 Re: truck/trailer question in reply to Bill Geer, 12-22-2006 22:29:25  
how much weight are you needing to haul? if im reading right a 350 with a 4 speed manuel trans will pull to about 18,000 lbs but it will be pretty slow going on hills, some of the newer diesels will go to 20 or 22,but dont forget just because the engine will pull the load that doesnt mean the truck chassis will handel the load, and also federal law states if your operating anything over 25,000 lbs, you must hold a minumim of a class B cdl, or you could wind up in jail and your rig impounded

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NDS

12-23-2006 18:13:08




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 Re: truck/trailer question in reply to ericlb, 12-23-2006 17:40:10  
The following is from Federal Motor Carrier Safety Adninistration web site:

Drivers need CDLs IF THEY ARE IN INTERSTATE, INTRASTATE or FORIEGN COMMERCE and drive a vehicle that meets one of the following definitions of a CMV.

Class A - Any combination of vehicles with a GVWR of 26001 or more provided the GVWR of the vehicle(s) being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.

Class B - Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds or any such vehicle towing a vehicle not in excess of 10,000 pounds GVWR.

Class C - Any single vehicle or combination of vehicles that does not meet the definition of Claas A or Class B, but is either designed to transport 16 or more passengers including the driver, or is placarded for hazardous materials.

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NDS

12-23-2006 17:15:31




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 Re: truck/trailer question in reply to Bill Geer, 12-22-2006 22:29:25  
Trailerboats.com/towrating...has trailer tow ratings for all trucks back to 1991. 1991 rating should be about same as your 1990.



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GordoSD

12-23-2006 16:44:00




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 Re: truck/trailer question in reply to Bill Geer, 12-22-2006 22:29:25  
I'd sell that Jimmy and look for a pre-98 Dodge Cummins Turbo 5 spd, Ram 2500.That's the 12 V engine that is highly sought after. Look for a really nice one, about 100k miles club/long bed,4wd for less than 10K. Then you can go towing.

Gordo



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Steven@AZ

12-23-2006 05:56:09




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 Re: truck/trailer question in reply to Bill Geer, 12-22-2006 22:29:25  
We pull a 20 +5 gooseneck, tandem axle singles (4 tires on the trailer) fully loaded at 17,000 pounds with an 82 Dodge 250 with a 318 and 4 speed. We don't break any land speed records, but it gets the hay hauled. When my brother is around we tie on to the 06 Dodge Cummins 2500 6-speed, which handles it much nicer.

You will find it difficult to overload a tonner with a 25 foot or smaller trailer. If I were you, I'd look for a triple axle (singles) 30 footer if you want your tonner to live up to full potential, load-wise. Just don't expect to go 75 mph up the hills...

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Bill Geer

12-22-2006 23:11:31




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 Re: truck/trailer question in reply to Bill Geer, 12-22-2006 22:29:25  
Thanks Rusty. 350 three speed manual with creeper 4:11 gear



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RustyFarmall

12-22-2006 22:50:08




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 Re: truck/trailer question in reply to Bill Geer, 12-22-2006 22:29:25  
What engine is in the truck, what tranny, what is the rear end ratio? If you have the 454 with a manual trans, and a 4.10 rear end, the truck will easily handle that trailer. If shes got a 350 and an auto, it'll still handle it, but might struggle a bit on some hills. Actually, the 18+4 is a bit short, it'll haul one tractor just fine, but that's all you will get on it. I've got a 20+5, and I am wanting to trade for a 25+5. I pull the trailer with a 2001 Chevy 3500.

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Dave in MN

12-22-2006 23:13:38




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 Re: truck/trailer question in reply to RustyFarmall, 12-22-2006 22:50:08  
Making a mistakeof too big is alot better than too small.

I'm going to sell a 2001 28+5 tandem/dual wheel gooseneck. south central MN



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Bill Geer

12-22-2006 23:50:26




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 Re: truck/trailer question in reply to Dave in MN, 12-22-2006 23:13:38  
Dave What is your asking price? How far are you from ST. Johns MI 48879?



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Dave in MN

12-23-2006 08:19:26




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 Re: truck/trailer question in reply to Bill Geer, 12-22-2006 23:50:26  
I'd like to get $4500. I'm located in the center of MN, 5 miles north of the IA line, zip is 56014, cell # is 507-383-7386



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T_Bone

12-23-2006 03:05:33




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 Re: truck/trailer question in reply to Bill Geer, 12-22-2006 23:50:26  
Hi Bill,

Cost wise I think the trailer, 18+4, is way over priced at $4500 and should be in the $3000 range.

You can buy a new Legend Trailer, 20+5, Dexter dual tandum oil bath forward self adjusting, Cooper tires, 19# 12" I-beam, 3"C on 16"oc cross members, 6" torque tube, 6"C rails, 2-1/2"x3/8" rub rails, 12" GN channel, Bulldog GN coupler and dual landing gear, About $5400 out the door plus $400 delivery from Tx.

A excellant built trailer with fine craftsmanship. What He does is extend the I-beam all the way to the end of the ramp so you can haul weight on the ramp if you want. The torque tube stops the trailer deck from twisting when you load/unload just one side. Forward self adjusting brakes is just plain nice.

The trailer pulls extremely smooth with no road rocking either empty or fully loaded.

I bought a 27+5 Legend in 2005 for $6400 out the door. So far I'm very pleased with the trailer.

From what I've seen so far, 30kGCW is just too much weight for a pick-up and maintance costs would make this a non-cost effective load weight. There's a guy running a F550 at 33kGCW commericaly and even he is seeing extremely high maintance costs as a F550 uses the same tansmission and clutch as a F350.

I use a F350 dually PSD and feel at 26kGCW is a good weight but I would expect high maintance costs at this load weight. That was a huge leap from 26k to 31k for just adding 5k pounds.

Since you have a gasser, you would need to pull at your maximum engine torque rpm to keep from ruining your engine from running at maximum HP rpm. I would think down in the 20kGCW area would be about right for gasser with 4wd on short hauls.

T_Bone

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RustyFarmall

12-23-2006 06:48:39




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 Re: truck/trailer question in reply to T_Bone, 12-23-2006 03:05:33  
T-Bone, The Legend trailer sounds like it is built right. My Trav-A-Long trailer is also built with I-beams extended out under the ramp, and with the pop-up beavertail you can haul with weight on the ramp. I've done it a number of times and the trailer has not suffered one little bit. Very few trailers are built this way, and I don't know why. Is there a web site for Legend trailers?



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Jim Becker

12-24-2006 08:44:06




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 Re: truck/trailer question in reply to RustyFarmall, 12-23-2006 06:48:39  
I got my trailer from Hefty Products (Paris TX) and have been quite happy with it. They will custom build with any combination of features you want. I have been told that they built goosenecks for PJ then started selling direct.

Their web page is Link .



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